Colorado-Odessa story

What a Bush League! Boo! The Komets deserve better than this.

Ha Ha. That would have been the first post in the old IHL days.

I think it was the pink jerseys they were wearing. Colorado couldn't take it anymore and went nuts.

JM - I hope Tyler Fletcher makes the team as well. I haven't actually seen him play with my own eyes or anything, but based on what people have said about him, He sounds like a strong pick up. Have not heard anything negative.. Guess I could be better informed if I saw him in person, but I can come to enough of a conclusion listening to the testimonies of the coaches and fans that have seen him.

cant believe anyone cares . mac was good here for awhile but remember something happened and we didnt want him back. dont forget that things go on in the lockerroom and off the ice that you will never see or hear about and lots of times things like that derermine the need for a player and not the goals scored or the bigger opponets a person battles. he doesnt weat the orange and bblack anymore so lets worry about our own yard and stop wasting time over something we dont know too much about. cant believe people are actually arguing on whos right or wrong here when NONE OF YOU WERE THERE! geez people, get a life,

I hope that Fletcher and Paws makes the team..Ward has been a huge disappointment in the 2 games I saw but he might be tearing it up in practice so who knows...

Wow!! First things first. Greg Rajan's blog included entries from Colorado fans who were at the game and saw the incident. Rajan had no dog in this fight other than to report to CHL fans in Corpus Christi who are probably missing their CHL team.

JungleMonkey and GameMisconduct, I applaud your loyalty to ex-Komets but in this case I think you have gone over the edge. True, I didn't see the incident but when the police are brought in, Colorado's own fans line up against Mac's actions, and severe injuries are delivered, and adding his "past" to the equation, I think there is a lot of "smoke" to this fire.

There have been many times where Hit and I have taken opposite sides of some issues. This time, however, I agree with him 100%. His post where he lists the penalties to Mac and none to Van Drunen speaks volumes. Great post Hit!

While fighting is an exciting part of a game, there are times when we have to separate a "fight" from a criminal action. We have all seen these in the past through YouTube and replays on television. They occur once in a while and when they do, it always results in ugliness for the game of Hockey. I believe that MacMillan just contributed to the growing argument of banning fights in hockey.

I was not at the game. I have not seen a replay of the incident. I am basing my opinion on those who were there, the penalties handed out, the fact that Odessa pulled their team from the ice, and the tragic injuries to Van Drunen. I will be anxious to see a replay of the entire incident and the subsequent findings by the CHL. (For a league so strict that it assesses a two minute penalty for having too many skaters on the ice between periods and a two minute penalty for a team that goes back to the dressing room between periods without permission. I can't imagine how tough they will be on this)!

Ok, enough of that. The Komets really played a "stinker" against Dayton. To those who thought this team was "loaded" or this season would be a "cakewalk" had better take a harder look at the present Komets.

chuckit - A former fan favorite is in some hot water. That is news. Any time a former player makes a splash of any kind it is talked about. Simply because someone wasn't physically there doesn't mean they shouldn't hold an interest in something..

Furthermore this insane theory that you have to see something to be informed about it is ludicrous.. If some of you truly believe that, then why do you read a newspaper? Books? History of any kind? evidence, theories, information all come in various forms. You can use more than your eyes to come to an educated conclusion.

Tough to "see" my point, or so it would seem. i can throw examples, information, sworn testimonies, and anything else in the world, and the next post after mine will read.. "Were you there?? did you see it?? then How do you know?"" *sigh* :-|

Only reading what you want to hear...How convient. Try to keep up big guy..I'm withholding an opinion until a see video or hear what went down from a credible source...How is that so hard to comprehend?

How is it so hard to agree to disagree and let this rest until more is brought to light???

Game, if your last post was directed at me, I can assure you that I can keep up.

If your last post was directed at me, I can assure you that not only do I "read" from both sides of an issue, I am always willing to admit when I'm wrong if someone can produce facts to me that direct me to change my mind.

If your last post was directed at me, let me assure you that I put more weight on the penalties listed than I do on a fans' contribution to a blog. The on ice officials were there and the actions of Mac are on the record. I would consider the CHL on ice officials credible sources. That fact is hard to argue with. ( To me it does seem a little odd for Colorado fans to take sides against Mac if this isn't true). If you can direct me to some opposing view from a fan who was there I'd appreciate reading it.

This is the age of instant communication and I'm sure something will be over the internet soon. But, what if it isn't? If, for some odd reason a replay does not exist, does that mean you will not accept it just because you didn't see it?

I'll tell you what, I will take your comments in stride and will wait for the determination made by the league.

I have one question for you. If the situation was reversed and it was Van Drunen accused of sucker punching MacMillan and then while his face was gushing blood, slammed his face on the ice, would you be defending Van Drunen? If yes, then you are being consistent in your thoughts. If no, ( and only you know the answer in your heart) then why not?

I have no dog in this fight except this stuff is not good for the game, and if true needs to be dealt with in a harsh manner.

Not reading a book so Ill simply say that no, it was not directed at you.

I'm not loyal to MacMillan. If anything I've seen the antics that DVD has pulled. VanDrunen isn't 100% innocent in this, that I'm sure of. Is it easy to demonize MacMillan because of what the outcome was? Yes. If DVD get beatup a little and both go to the box, nobody cares. There's a fine line between people getting in a tizzy of emotions.

I'm loyal to old school hockey. You take on of ours, we'll take one of yours. This game had 13 fights before the Mac/DVD incident. It's not like MacMillan was inserted into a game where there was a lot of skating and precision passing going on. The game was already a mess and one can assume (since komets123 has made it clear that assumptions and 3rd party accounts are verifiable information) that Joly and Mac were instructed to make a statement. No coach puts those guys out with the intent to score goals.

Mac did what hockey enforcers do. Did he cross a line? I don't know, I haven't seen it. Does the fact that DVD had a busted face prove any lines were crossed? No. I've seen boxing/mma/and middle school fist fights conclude in blood baths from one oddly placed punch. I can't say one way or another if Mac got carried away until I see it.

I think this is a reflection of sports as a whole. People are getting soft. You can't touch NFL quarterbacks, hockey players being charged with assualt for fighting after decades of the sport (especially minor leagues) touting it...

Mac was an undisciplined goon in Fort Wayne and continues to be elsewhere.
Robin Big Snake has hockey skills too but because he was too undisciplined the bad outweighed the good.
Same case here.

Undisciplined goon in fort wayne?

Are you serious? Go ahead and point out the incidents you're citing.

Hello bloggers! Wow, what a topic! Here are my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth.

When does it become alright to cause such physical harm to someone that surgery to repair their face is necessary? I understand, as I'm sure others do, that sometimes a perfectly placed punch to the face can cause much damage. I work with teenagers, I've seen this plenty of times. However, a punch to the face, is MUCH different than having your face slammed into the ice (which as we know is extremely thin and simply covering concrete).

I don't see how anyone can justify the actions of MacMillan. None of us were there, we are simply going on reported information. For a coach to pull his team off the ice, for a player to have serious surgery, and for the police to be involved, something went terribly wrong. Do we ignore it because it's part of hockey? Absolutely not! We don't know what was said before to precipitate the action, however, no one is ever justified in the actions that MacMillan took. As someone who once cheered him on during fights, I will not support his actions in this case.

In life people will say and do things that will make you mad. In those situations, self-control must be exercised.

GM - I understand your posts quite well, and have no trouble keeping up. thanks for the concern though. you previously stated.

"Witness accounts are going both ways thus why Ill actually wait for something credible before forming an opinion on it..Who would of thought that would cause such a hub bub"

To which i asked where you were finding the opposing information from.. you made no reply to that.. since then I haven't personally mentioned you or your posts.

up to speed now?

Why is nobody addressing the fact that Darryl Bootland (Van Drunen's teammate) sucker punched an Eagle (MacMillan's teammate) on the faceoff directly before the one that Mac/DVD took?

Bootland didn't break anyone's face, MacMillan did. Eye for an eye.. MacMillan went out to settle the score for his team. Doing his job. Then Gillis puts his team on the bus and presses criminal charges. Sounds like a sore loser to me. The same Paul Gillis that coached the Danbury Trashers. Now he has a ethical and moral obligation to his team. LOL!

Heres a post from the CHL forums...

"After the fights started breaking up, I noticed one of the Jacks was on his knees with his head on the ice, he had been there for a while which I thought was odd. As he started to move you could see there was blood on the ice. I hope he is okay, but I didn't see anything other than a normal fight."

If you are so concerned you can look around for more. Thanks for playing, champ!

a back top mount & banging someones face to the ice is too much :(

GM - Throw a link up GM.. would be fun to see. I mean, 1 person of how many say this? How did the whole conversation on this forum go? between news articles, the penalties called, Colorado fan testimonials, police involvment, I am seeing an overwhelming amount of bias to one side..

if you have something of value to bring to the table please do. First you tried to call me out on "not keeping up" .. I proved my point with you there and caught you back up to speed. Now you want to assume you're somehow showing me up with 1 fans post on a forum?. If you have another side to the story state your case. I honestly would love to see it and hear about it.. But if your side is.. "you didn't see it so you dont know" then your argument is weak to me..

so forget all the "champ" stuff for now . we can result to childish game play once all the real info and debate exhausts itself.. bring your info from this forum to the front line..Link it. lets read the full discussion. Perhaps you are right and after this quick read we will realize Mac was totally in the right..

MacMillan wasn't undisciplined nor a goon while he was here.

Komets123.....over on FYC she tryed to throw out the same quoted blogger.....but only posted 1/3 of what that blogger wrote. If you read the whole post that blogger made....you can easily figure out that the blogger is a moron.

The other 100 or so posts from Colorado Fans are in consensus that the first 7 fights were just Normal Fights.....the MacMillan thing was a totally different animal, and the Colorado fans used words like "Awful", "classless", "Cheap", "brutal"....etc. The Colorado fans on CHL Forums also in concensus do not want Brad MacMillan on their team because of his actions.

That is telling in my book.

But you can't argue that with GM.....she would rather name-call and mud sling than look at the facts.

She called my facts...."grasping for straws" LOL

LMAO

....she? Haha

Prety sure you have me confused with someone else Hit

Are you Highstick4u over on FYC?

Figured as much. thanks Hit. I was imagining there would be a random post here or there in support oh what Mac did, but i figured the blog as a whole would go the other way.. is why I asked him for the link. to confirm it one way or the other..

Well we can agree to disagree at this point GM.. I sort of imagine at this point even a video wouldn't change the minds of people. Some would see this on the tape and others would see that.... ...selective perception.

@Hit..I only post as GameMisconduct. I used that post because it was the quickest to grab. I know what I've seen but I'm not going to go back thru what ive already read simply because someone doesn't believe me..If you don't believe people have a differing opinion that's on you and if you are so concerned to look it up, the web is out there for ya

@komets123....I've never even disagreed with you so how can I agree to disagree? My stance on this issue the whole time has been I haven't seen/heard anything from a reliable source on this so I won't throw someone into the fire until something comes out from the media (who have been quiet on the issue outside of Rajan and we all know Rajan's history) or the video comes out..Until then it's all a bunch of hearsay

Hit, you have GM confused with FMM, I think. Wrong person. :)

GM - I thought since we had differing opinions on information highways and overall view of the incident at this point we were at a disagreement. We can argue about arguing and disagreeing now though if you care too? always love a good challenge/debate. Gain a ton of info and insight from em. ... Or, as i said, we can simply agree to disagree...

Honestly in the end we very well may see the whole Mac incident in the same light.. who knows.. for now we are separated at some juncture of it. no biggie. I feel the info is available to judge him. You do not.. Hopefully for Mac's sake i am the one who is wrong here.

Sissy.....keep fighting....LOL

If GM is not HS4U.....then why are their posts all most identical last night on this blog and FYC.

I am confused.

Who are you Blue Line Baby??? LOL

Who are you Komet123?

I don't know who I am.....