Which was the best team?

Chaulker--NO OFFENSE TAKEN! My oppinion about the PH reporter was just that "my opinion" I stand by it. I never said he was totally responsable only that he may have contributed to it. I have absolutely no desire to get any facts wrong. I made a mistake, you corrected it and I am very happy you did. I was trying to be polite and have a little bit of fun at the same time. I now have a new appreciation of your serious side. History of teams is well recorded. I am certain that if anyone gets any Komet history wrong you will correct them. That is good to know. I'll try and remember that.

If you you don't know Burgee you may want too. He loves Foo Foos, Little pills and suntans. He also likes sleep when he can get it. I assure you he is harmless!

I need corrected also, I love the K's history and often get my facts wrong.

Here's a question Mr. Schebig:

How do you think the K's from the past three years would fair in a game vs. the 91/93 Komet's?

Could you also point me in the right direction as to where PH writer Mr. Costanzo wrote any other article that pertained to the demise of Muskegon leaving the IHL?

I'd be happy to do the search over at the TimesHerald.com, but I do not believe there is such an article.

Chaulker--I think it is very difficult to compare teams from one year to the next. It is even harder when you try to compare eras. I therefore just stay away from trying. Each team faced different obstacles and problems that needed overcome to be successful. Injuries and competition from other teams to just name two. Most generally it is always easier to look back and remember standout players. I have seen this blog try and figure out who the toughest player or fighter ever was. It depends on what you personally liked or disliked about a certain player or players. The very first Championship Team was really a very good team. Several players went on the NHL. That was before the NHL expanded and deluted the talent base. There were a lot of players in the original IHL that would have played in the NHL if had 20 some teams at that time. To name just a few, Len Thornson, Terry Pemproke and Lionel Repka all would have been in the NHL.

Now your other problem--If you read what I originally wrote. I said had the reporter taken more time to report the positive aspects of the IHL and Muskegon instead of waiting until they decided to leave they may not have. The point I was making and still will make was and is the lack of support by him or others like him that can lead to the demise of a hockey team. Fort Wayne is very blessed to not only have one reporter but two that cover the Komets. We honest reporting both the good and the bad. If we only got negative how long would either they or any team last? I know he didn't write only negative articles but he could have written more positive/supportive stories if he wanted. Did he contribute 100% to the Lumberjacks switching leagues? No way. I still think he may have contributed to some exstent. maybe only 1% but than maybe a whole lot more. It is opinion I admit. But, it is my opinion and you absolutely have every right to disagree. Without any hard feeling!

I'm just saying that he didn't write one thing about Muskegon or the IHL up until that article, so there is no 1% and if there is, I'd like to see it. I've seriously read just about every article the guy wrote this year and I have not seen the 1%.

You can compare talent wise how well each team would do if they were pitted against each other. Put them in a vacuum/perfect world, both at the top of their games. It has nothing to do w/ "obstacles", it has to do w/ talent. Who would you think would win? 1993 IHL talent, or 2007-2010 UHL/IHL/CoHL talent?

Chaulker-- I have never had the honor of meeting your reporter friend. He could be the nicest guy in the world. Maybe if I frased my opinion this way you understand what I was getting at. I think instead of what he wrote maybe it should be about what he didn't write. He had all season to support the Icehawks, Lumberjacks and or the IHL. He chose not to as often as he could have. That is OK with me. I just would feel better is he had been more positive about the IHL and it's member clubs in general. That is not to say he is a bad reporter or person. Just like I am sure you are not either.

As far as picking a team I can't do that. I saw all of them play. I liked and hold all of them very dear. Each in it's own way was special. Each in their own way produced a championship. To me that is all that mattered. I may be one of many off-ice officials but that in know way makes me the expert on who is or was the best. I will pass on that challenge. I have seen many great skaters, shooters, puck handlers, checkers, fighters, goal scores, goalies & owners. I respect everyone whomever laced up skates. I am just glad I got to see everyone of them. Most of all I hope to see many many more.

I would disagree, the 1991 team would destroy all of the UHL/IHL championship teams by at least 15 - 20 goals easy.

He's not my friend, he's a reporter who does his job fairly and you're making "opinions" off of nothing he wrote, I don't get it. Point it out and I may agree w/ you, but how can you have an opinion of something that is non-existent? I don't get that.

Plus, all he did all season was write about the Icehawks. Why would he write about a league and talk it up if he didn't believe that to be true? Instead of bashing it, he didn't write anything, he just wrote about the Hawks, what's wrong w/ that?

Chaulker--I respect your opinion. You are intitled to hold on to it. I don't think you will ever get my opinion. That is OK. We will just have to agree to disagree. This was a very good discussion. We could go on with it forever and never come to a understanding. That is OK also. Some of my children just have a hard time agreeing with. But I still love them. God Bless!

Same to you...........when you figure out when this opinion was formed, based on, and created, let me know.

Don't think I don't respect your opinion, I just really think something that is stated w/ such justification needs more behind it, that's all........

I remember Costanza or whatever his name is getting the poison pen out on something but I read so much about hockey that's the only thing I remember about it, it was very negative, that's why it sticks out in my mind and it also surprised me that it was written.

Disclaimer, I've forgotten more than I remember, names and dates may get mixed up but this is a blog where no one has to be accountable for anything they say except Schebig because I know where he sits everygame.

Presently tanning with a dark spf4 oil.

Chaulker, the '72-73 team was my personal favorite. I can still recite the roster of that team today.

Dschebig is one of my favorite people. I was able to meet him during the season and I can assure you there is no greater Komet supporter, fan, and friend than him. He is also an IHL official and takes his job very seriously.

I imagine his closeness to the team would restrict him from feeling comfortable choosing a Komet vs. Komet team. He is right. There are many things that go in to making a team a winner. Talent is just one of them. I use, for an example, the K's vs. San Diego. Man per man San Diego was much more talented than the K's. But, hard work beats talent that does not work hard.

Dschebig may be hesitant to give out too much information. He is close to the action and some things he just cannot make public on a vehicle like this.

So, I think we ought to quit pressing him. He got a date wrong. C'mon I don't believe anything he did is going to "soil" the history of the Komets for those who are looking to become informed.

Chaulker, you would have enjoyed the '72-'73 Komets. They had a little of everything on that team. My favorite player was Brian Walker who once scored a goal on a faceoff. It was from the faceoff circle to the left of the goaltender. He was very talented. Many, many stories about that team.

Why's it a "poison pen" Burgee?? Because you didn't agree w/ it? Read it again and point to me where he's wrong......This is what irritates me the most, disagree w/ the IHL, their dead wrong, last word, move on.

IF you are going to type something that is that detrimental, then why shouldn't you be held accountable for it? My whole purpose of this conversation was to point out how bad some of you are when something pops up that you don't agree w/. You're horrible, yet you can't back it up w/ facts, only opinions. But you scrutinize a reporter in PH because of his opinion??? And say that he's the reason that Musky left? That's blindness IMO, simple and ignorant blindness.

Alan, if Dschebig is an IHL official and he is such an adamant Komet's fan, that leads me to question his honestly when doing what ever he's doing. To me, he would have to be biased to work a game and he's not, obviously. If he's in charge of something that requires a "neutral eye", is he going to give his opinion of it? If I held a position like his, I certainly wouldn't be posting on some fan board, that's just me. Just another reason that the UCIHL is a complete joke, they have fans calling games.

It's not about the date of the K's and the Vagabond's, it's being responsible and accountable for what your stating, especially if he is a man of status.

So in your view Burgee, if you know where I sit, that means I can spread rumor's that have no backing, just as long as you approve my seat #? Sounds lame to me.

In other news, rumor has it that scheduling options have been discussed with the CHL, that talks with the ECHL happened early and died quickly and that some sort of big news "could" come out of Flint this week...

I loved the '91 team... That team had everything... My all time favorite players are mostly from the 80's....

Chaulker--Are you the brother of Paul or maybe you are Paul? I really don't care. I am sure he does his job very well. He is a reporter after all not God. Ten people can read whatever he writes and you will get different opinions of what he was trying to say. There is nothing wrong with all ten of those opinions. What I do is record what the officials call. Nothing more and nothing less. Because we have differing opinions is no reason to insult my integrity. I have been doing my job for 36 years and NO ONE has ever challenged it. I use my name on this blog and the other because I have nothing to hide. I do not hide behind some bogas while cute handle. You can find me at the scores table every game. That was what Burgee was referring to when he said he knew where I sat. My guess is he could careless where you set. Anytime you want to talk to me face to face I am available. I might have missed 4 games in the last 10 years. That is if you ever attend a Komet game. Personally I hope you take the time to do just that. See a Komet game and look me up. I can see my friends have come to my defense and I appreciate that. You can be my friend or my enemy that is your choice. I apologized sincerely for my mistake in the years of the teams. I'll never apologize for having and voicing my opinion. You can except it or reject it that is your choice. I would only caution you about attacking my credibilty. Now I have to apologize to Alan for writing a small book. I don't do it nearly as well as he does.

It's my opinion......I wouldn't like a Philly fan being in charge of some major call during the finals.

I do go to K's games, I'm sure you and I would have a wonderful conversation and like I said, I'd love to hear more about the past K's because I don't know anything about them, besides what I read.

Chaulker--I don't make the calls! I simple record them. The referees must sign my sheets and attest they are correct. Every city in the IHL has Off-Ice officials. You are going to learn something right now. ALL Off-ice officials are hired by the home team but in fact work for the IHL. We are suject to their rules and guidelines. WE are ALL volunteers. We do not get paid. I assure you the strongest fans any team has are the Off-Ice officials. We are totally committed to what we do and we want it 100% right. I am there 1 hour before everygame and at least that long after the game. I love and enjoy what I do. I do it because I want to. Just so you know The Phillies hire statisticians from Philadelphia to record just what happens in a Phillies game. Just as every major league city does. The Official scorer in each city is a baseball media type person from that city. How do I know? I umpired for 25 years. I have a list a major league umpires I know personally.
Please look me up next season. I will have forgotten everything I have said by than but that's life. I am sure you will fill me in.

Alan- I am really sorry!

Thanks DS, I look forward to it!! My memory works great and I won't forget to make sure I look ya up.

Thanks for the info., that helps give me some perspective that I hadn't known before. Since you filled me in and gave me some facts, I apologize for saying that you may or may not correctly call facts based on your position on the Komets and being such a large fan, but I seriously didn't know.

I'd also like to know more about the 85 team that won the Huber....I remember going to a playoff game, but I was very young. I just remember the atmosphere in the building was AMAZING!! I do have some friends that were on that team, I just have never gotten around to asking them about it.

I love all the new ammenities; but miss the old coiliseum's atmosphere more.....

BTW DS, that was a Flyers reference for the upcoming finals, not Phillies.

Chaulker--The NHL swaps Off-Ice officials from other cities during the play-offs. The last time I talked to anyone about it that was what I was told. I am pretty sure the home teams OIO's are from a different city. I made another mistake. You typed Philly and I assumed baseball. Had you said Flyers I would have understood. I'll take the Blackhwaks for Lord Stanley's Cup. In 6 games. Let's get it on!

I'm w/ ya on that!!!! The Hawks take the first 2 at the UC, split on Broadstreet, and win it all in front of the home fans in game 5!!!!!!!!!

GO FLYERS=will be wearing my #8 Schultz jersey on saturday=if I can get it on.

That is a sweet jersey mightbite.....is it the old school one like they wore in the mid 70's?

No I wish it was,its a replica but still nice. I do have a Shawn Cronin game worn Flyers jersey, maybe toughest guy to play in old IHL

I hate a black Flyers jersey w/ John LeClair on the back. One of the best US born hockey players to take the ice.

have, I have

Mightbite, tougher then Cal Purington or Madigan? Seriously, just asking. I think Con Madigan was one of the toughest ever. Ex westcoasters still tremble at his name..... :-)

Sorry, that's Cal Purinton.

Thats what makes it soooooo hard to rank the tougher players or any players for that matter... Differences in era's, size of players, rule changes, speed of the game, expansion of hockey, etc... all make it so hard to rank one player in front of another... Makes for some good debates; but the rankings are only valid really to the person making it because we all see value in players differently....