Could Rapid City be the next to follow ? That's what I'm hearing on the streets.
Mr Snufflupugus
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 2:40pm
These teams continue to shoot themselves in the foot. The musical chairs going on right now means nothing. Now Colorado can enjoy trips to Wheeling instead of Fort Wayne. As long as these teams continue to make decisions like this then every summer will continue to be message board fodder as teams do the Johnny Chong two step.
Wendy
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 3:02pm
They'd be in the west. They'd join Idaho and Utah, probably. Unless those teams aren't around next year. I can't keep up.
Shawn
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 3:49pm
Colorado is taking the place of the Victoria Salmon Kings in the Mountain division of the Western Conference.
Assuming no other team movements The ECHL now has a 20 team league with 5 divisions of 4 teams each (3 Eastern and 2 Western). They have 2 teams on the back burners in Columbus, SC and Reno, NV.
Y2K
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 4:42pm
Western conference teams rarely play the Eastern conference teams in the ECHL....So basically the Eagles will be playing against the 7 western teams.
JR1
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 4:46pm
LOL, the K's will have thier picks of some very good players this offseason... Colorado, Odessa, Quad City down....Boss-Shrev on the ropes... Every player from the finals could be considered free agents here in the matter of days.
The K's Brass are probably licking thier chops...lol Why not stick around one more season??? Load up a team to contend for the cup, then see where things are next offseason...
mightbite
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 4:56pm
Bloomington closes the doors :(
New "Ice Patrol" Klotz-DeLory-Bonneau :)
JR1
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 4:58pm
Wheeling is closer to Ft Wayne than Moline, IL (Quad City), so why is that city brought up out of curiosity???
Ft Wayne to Moline, IL = 308.94 miles
Ft Wayne to Wheeling, WV = 284.29 miles
JR1
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 5:01pm
The IHL2 Bloomy has closed thier doors....the CHL Bloomy has the new lease.....
So would that be considered 4 teams down with one expansion franchise or do we just not count Bloomy since they arent actually losing the team???
mightbite
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 5:12pm
My bloomington season ticket holder friends,was given back their season ticket money today????? Was told that there was no hockey team ???
JR1
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 5:15pm
The STH's who payed thier money to the Prairie Thunder will be getting thier money back; but there will be CHL hockey next season in Bloomington. Tell your friends they will have hockey; but to be patient as the new teams hasnt set up offices as of yet from what I've been told...
Just be careful, might! I pulled that link from that terrible rumor mongering site FYC....so read at you own risk...
:)
JR1
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 6:37pm
Mike Egenes of the Bloomington Pantagraph is reporting that the Bloomy players may not become free agents even though there are technically two teams in Bloomingtion right now...one with a lease and one without... Not sure how that one will work, makes me believe the new owners of the other team may be aquiring part of the Prairie Thunder franchise...
Also, he is saying that the Rocky Mountain Rage who ceased operations in 2009 may be coming back for next season... They played out of Broomfield, Colorado... That would make a new close partner for Rapid City... A bandaid perhaps???
JungleMonkey
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 6:42pm
What a distaster.
Why is the most storied franchise in the history of minor league hockey always involved in the league that is on deaths doorstep?
JR1
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 6:57pm
Is something wrong with the AHL, JM??? What is Hersey dealing with right now???
:)
Steve
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 7:51pm
"The decision follows previous litigation between the CHL and the Eagles that allowed in the constructed settlement agreement (2007) for the team to negate their license agreement following the 2010-11 season."
Apparently this has been in the works for some time for Colorado. I wish them and their fans well.
Hit Somebody!!!
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 8:12pm
Go Komets!!!
Hit Somebody!!!
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 8:14pm
How many teams has the ECHL lost to this point?
I saw that the ECHL schedules are out all ready.
CHL seems very "ify" at best.
That might be the understatement of the year.
It feels to me that we once again chose the wrong league to be in.
Just my opinion.
Hopefully at some point things will work themselves out and we will be in a league situation that has a little less drama surrounding it. I just don't see the articles and rumors swallowing up the ECHL like I have seen in the last 10 years of the UHL/IHL2/CHL.
I definitely do not like the idea of a luxury tax that rewards rich owners for making poor hockey decisions and poor marketing practices......it doesn't in any way encourage those owners to do a better job. It just forces good hockey franchises to give away money they deserve for the hard-work they do in attracting the crowds.
Fort Wayne shouldn't have to give any of the other teams a dime for being good at marketing and fielding a good hockey product to their community.
And I would hope this issue helps force the Komets into a better league in the long run.
Because....IMO......the CHL is joking itself.
JR1
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 8:22pm
I think the K's load up this season from alll the good free agents that are becoming available and contend for the cup this coming season, thereby honoring their 2 yr. commitment to the CHL and really do alot of leg work over the next year as to whats right for Ft Wayne...
I would love to be a fly on the Komets office wall over the next year...
Hit Somebody!!!
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 8:31pm
Wonder how the Luxury Tax will work....if they pay other teams to be bad.....can we essentially pay more for our players.....LOL???
I agree JR.....
Let's load-up the roster and go for the Gold this season. 60th season is the Diamond Jubilee right?
Oh Krap....does that mean the Gems win it? LOL
Mr Snufflupugus
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 10:44pm
JR1,
Wasn't comparing the Komets road trips. Was stating how Colorado (albiet not frequently) will have to travel past Fort Wayne to get to Wheeling.
Point being it is a lateral move at best and a step in the wrong direction. They might not travel east of the Mississippi as frequently now but in the realm of common sense they should be in a league where they never have to.
Oh well, it's a great day. I was a Leafs and Jets fan growing up and my team has returned. And hopefully the Moose relocate to one of my favorite cities in the world, St Johns.
JR1
Wed, 06/01/2011 - 12:04am
Wasnt just referencing your post alone as I have heard that type of comment before regarding Wheeling... Its alot closer to the Fort than most realize...
I, too, am happy for the return of Winnipeg to the NHL... I agree with alot who say that cities like Winnipeg, Quebec, and Hartford could compete now in the salary cap era... Talk about a brutal schedule for season 1 as Winnipeg will play next season in the southeast division of the Eastern Conference then we'll see some realignment for 2012-13. BTW, alot of good discussion going on as to what the league will look like following a realignment. Some dont think its as easy as sending Detroit to the East and placing Winnipeg in the west. Some speculation that it could be much more widespread than that... Will be interesting.
Isnt St. Johns OHL country? Could an OHL and AHL team work there?
Wendy
Wed, 06/01/2011 - 1:07am
I'd hate to see the Chicago, Columbus, Detriot triumverate broken up. Even though it's farther west, Nashville makes more sense to move to the East. But that would cause other issues. I'm sure it will all shake out whether more changes are in store or not. As for Winnepeg playing in the Southeast this year, I just hope they're planning to give them the longest homestands and away game stretches in history.
JR1
Wed, 06/01/2011 - 1:48am
Detroit is really pushing to be in the East so that the vast majority of thier games are in thier same time zone... Which I understand...
The rest of the Western Conference GM's would rather they stay in the west because they are a very good draw when they come to town...
Being a Hawks fan, I really dislike the Wings; but it would be a shame to miss out on all the games those two teams play against each other... Hopefully if the Wings do go to the East (which I believe is gonna happen) then I hope the NHL is smart enough to make sure the Hawks and Wings play each other every season...
Gillmore Tuttle
Wed, 06/01/2011 - 5:39am
JR1... The wings do not want to leave the division, their fans do. The NHL will not break-up the Wings-Hawks they really screwed up when they took Toronto out they will not make that mistake again.
However the NHL address the divisional situitation once Phoenix is relocated..
Gillmore Tuttle
Wed, 06/01/2011 - 5:40am
Maybe the CHL should look into Atlanta?
Steve
Wed, 06/01/2011 - 7:19am
More of a question then a comment concerning the "luxury tax" in the CHL. Does anyone remember how the CHL use to be set up, back in the days when Indy left the IHL for it?
As I recall, it was kind of strange back then too, maybe always has been. Owners had several teams and something like actually owned a piece of the league with a revenue sharing kind of set up. And in someways it's not that far off yet today with a corporation actually owning the league.
I'm just wondering about it. The ECHL has it's issues, and especially attitude too, but I would be more comfortable there then in the CHL. I'm guessing we'll see change in a year.
Mike sharp
Wed, 06/01/2011 - 9:21am
Gillmore, the ECHL is already just outside of Atlanta...not sure how another minor league hockey team would fare there..
Mr Snufflupugus
Wed, 06/01/2011 - 9:30am
St Johns are in the Q right now but were AHL territory for years. The 90's saw a mass exodus of AHL teams in Canada due to economic troubles.
St John, St Johns, Halifax, Moncton, Cape Breton, Frederickton etc. To be honest I believe Moncton could support an NHL team but it probably will never happen.
But if my theory of reorganization is correct I think you will see the AHL return to many of those cities and the Q will reorganize too. The just lost a franchise in Lewiston today. Travel to the maritimes is not easy and not cheap. You will probably see that league confine itself to Quebec and perhaps add a couple of USA teams in Vermont and New Hampshire.
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Could Rapid City be the next to follow ? That's what I'm hearing on the streets.
These teams continue to shoot themselves in the foot. The musical chairs going on right now means nothing. Now Colorado can enjoy trips to Wheeling instead of Fort Wayne. As long as these teams continue to make decisions like this then every summer will continue to be message board fodder as teams do the Johnny Chong two step.
They'd be in the west. They'd join Idaho and Utah, probably. Unless those teams aren't around next year. I can't keep up.
Colorado is taking the place of the Victoria Salmon Kings in the Mountain division of the Western Conference.
Assuming no other team movements The ECHL now has a 20 team league with 5 divisions of 4 teams each (3 Eastern and 2 Western). They have 2 teams on the back burners in Columbus, SC and Reno, NV.
Western conference teams rarely play the Eastern conference teams in the ECHL....So basically the Eagles will be playing against the 7 western teams.
LOL, the K's will have thier picks of some very good players this offseason... Colorado, Odessa, Quad City down....Boss-Shrev on the ropes... Every player from the finals could be considered free agents here in the matter of days.
The K's Brass are probably licking thier chops...lol Why not stick around one more season??? Load up a team to contend for the cup, then see where things are next offseason...
Bloomington closes the doors :(
New "Ice Patrol" Klotz-DeLory-Bonneau :)
Wheeling is closer to Ft Wayne than Moline, IL (Quad City), so why is that city brought up out of curiosity???
Ft Wayne to Moline, IL = 308.94 miles
Ft Wayne to Wheeling, WV = 284.29 miles
The IHL2 Bloomy has closed thier doors....the CHL Bloomy has the new lease.....
So would that be considered 4 teams down with one expansion franchise or do we just not count Bloomy since they arent actually losing the team???
My bloomington season ticket holder friends,was given back their season ticket money today????? Was told that there was no hockey team ???
The STH's who payed thier money to the Prairie Thunder will be getting thier money back; but there will be CHL hockey next season in Bloomington. Tell your friends they will have hockey; but to be patient as the new teams hasnt set up offices as of yet from what I've been told...
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/government-and-politics/article_2b0766fa-85be-11e0-ba3a-001cc4c03286.html
There's the article, mightbite....
Just be careful, might! I pulled that link from that terrible rumor mongering site FYC....so read at you own risk...
:)
Mike Egenes of the Bloomington Pantagraph is reporting that the Bloomy players may not become free agents even though there are technically two teams in Bloomingtion right now...one with a lease and one without... Not sure how that one will work, makes me believe the new owners of the other team may be aquiring part of the Prairie Thunder franchise...
Also, he is saying that the Rocky Mountain Rage who ceased operations in 2009 may be coming back for next season... They played out of Broomfield, Colorado... That would make a new close partner for Rapid City... A bandaid perhaps???
What a distaster.
Why is the most storied franchise in the history of minor league hockey always involved in the league that is on deaths doorstep?
Is something wrong with the AHL, JM??? What is Hersey dealing with right now???
:)
"The decision follows previous litigation between the CHL and the Eagles that allowed in the constructed settlement agreement (2007) for the team to negate their license agreement following the 2010-11 season."
Apparently this has been in the works for some time for Colorado. I wish them and their fans well.
Go Komets!!!
How many teams has the ECHL lost to this point?
I saw that the ECHL schedules are out all ready.
CHL seems very "ify" at best.
That might be the understatement of the year.
It feels to me that we once again chose the wrong league to be in.
Just my opinion.
Hopefully at some point things will work themselves out and we will be in a league situation that has a little less drama surrounding it. I just don't see the articles and rumors swallowing up the ECHL like I have seen in the last 10 years of the UHL/IHL2/CHL.
I definitely do not like the idea of a luxury tax that rewards rich owners for making poor hockey decisions and poor marketing practices......it doesn't in any way encourage those owners to do a better job. It just forces good hockey franchises to give away money they deserve for the hard-work they do in attracting the crowds.
Fort Wayne shouldn't have to give any of the other teams a dime for being good at marketing and fielding a good hockey product to their community.
And I would hope this issue helps force the Komets into a better league in the long run.
Because....IMO......the CHL is joking itself.
I think the K's load up this season from alll the good free agents that are becoming available and contend for the cup this coming season, thereby honoring their 2 yr. commitment to the CHL and really do alot of leg work over the next year as to whats right for Ft Wayne...
I would love to be a fly on the Komets office wall over the next year...
Wonder how the Luxury Tax will work....if they pay other teams to be bad.....can we essentially pay more for our players.....LOL???
I agree JR.....
Let's load-up the roster and go for the Gold this season. 60th season is the Diamond Jubilee right?
Oh Krap....does that mean the Gems win it? LOL
JR1,
Wasn't comparing the Komets road trips. Was stating how Colorado (albiet not frequently) will have to travel past Fort Wayne to get to Wheeling.
Point being it is a lateral move at best and a step in the wrong direction. They might not travel east of the Mississippi as frequently now but in the realm of common sense they should be in a league where they never have to.
Oh well, it's a great day. I was a Leafs and Jets fan growing up and my team has returned. And hopefully the Moose relocate to one of my favorite cities in the world, St Johns.
Wasnt just referencing your post alone as I have heard that type of comment before regarding Wheeling... Its alot closer to the Fort than most realize...
I, too, am happy for the return of Winnipeg to the NHL... I agree with alot who say that cities like Winnipeg, Quebec, and Hartford could compete now in the salary cap era... Talk about a brutal schedule for season 1 as Winnipeg will play next season in the southeast division of the Eastern Conference then we'll see some realignment for 2012-13. BTW, alot of good discussion going on as to what the league will look like following a realignment. Some dont think its as easy as sending Detroit to the East and placing Winnipeg in the west. Some speculation that it could be much more widespread than that... Will be interesting.
Isnt St. Johns OHL country? Could an OHL and AHL team work there?
I'd hate to see the Chicago, Columbus, Detriot triumverate broken up. Even though it's farther west, Nashville makes more sense to move to the East. But that would cause other issues. I'm sure it will all shake out whether more changes are in store or not. As for Winnepeg playing in the Southeast this year, I just hope they're planning to give them the longest homestands and away game stretches in history.
Detroit is really pushing to be in the East so that the vast majority of thier games are in thier same time zone... Which I understand...
The rest of the Western Conference GM's would rather they stay in the west because they are a very good draw when they come to town...
Being a Hawks fan, I really dislike the Wings; but it would be a shame to miss out on all the games those two teams play against each other... Hopefully if the Wings do go to the East (which I believe is gonna happen) then I hope the NHL is smart enough to make sure the Hawks and Wings play each other every season...
JR1... The wings do not want to leave the division, their fans do. The NHL will not break-up the Wings-Hawks they really screwed up when they took Toronto out they will not make that mistake again.
However the NHL address the divisional situitation once Phoenix is relocated..
Maybe the CHL should look into Atlanta?
More of a question then a comment concerning the "luxury tax" in the CHL. Does anyone remember how the CHL use to be set up, back in the days when Indy left the IHL for it?
As I recall, it was kind of strange back then too, maybe always has been. Owners had several teams and something like actually owned a piece of the league with a revenue sharing kind of set up. And in someways it's not that far off yet today with a corporation actually owning the league.
I'm just wondering about it. The ECHL has it's issues, and especially attitude too, but I would be more comfortable there then in the CHL. I'm guessing we'll see change in a year.
Gillmore, the ECHL is already just outside of Atlanta...not sure how another minor league hockey team would fare there..
St Johns are in the Q right now but were AHL territory for years. The 90's saw a mass exodus of AHL teams in Canada due to economic troubles.
St John, St Johns, Halifax, Moncton, Cape Breton, Frederickton etc. To be honest I believe Moncton could support an NHL team but it probably will never happen.
But if my theory of reorganization is correct I think you will see the AHL return to many of those cities and the Q will reorganize too. The just lost a franchise in Lewiston today. Travel to the maritimes is not easy and not cheap. You will probably see that league confine itself to Quebec and perhaps add a couple of USA teams in Vermont and New Hampshire.