the problem is you don't see the actual hit so it's not precisely clear what happened, according to the league. You don't see his elbow come down immediately afterward so maybe he just hit him with his shoulder.
Alan
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 3:20pm
So David Franke says he won't know until tomorrow at the earliest whether Auger will play or not. It kind of seems like double-talk to me as no one has mentioned what grade of concussion, how he did on his base-line test, or headaches, dizziness, vomiting, etc. OK, maybe the hippa laws don't allow it, but no one has a problem with calling the injury to Rizk as a knee bruise and mcl sprain.
By the way, where is Rizk in terms of his recovery and wouldn't you say that the Auger concussion is a factor in Dustin Molle coming off IR as soon as he will?
I would be very surprised if the K's put Auger back on the ice before the Christmas break is over. Even if he is close to returning ( and I doubt if he is), rest is the best cure for a concussion. Why would they put him in further danger when there are just two games left before Christmas and he could get an extra week of rest by missing those games?
Help me understand the K's IR situation, please.
JB
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 4:26pm
Rizk and Auger are both out due to injuries suffered during games with Evansville. Gens took out Rizk, and Linden took out Auger. The actual elbow hit may not show up in the video, but the lineman obviously saw it since that is the penalty that was called. I find the CHL ruling very questionable, especially with all the focus and concern on concussions. I would have thought they would want to error on the side of caution.
BobKoorsen
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 5:45pm
I look at the gamesheets regularly from other games in the league...and I have noticed a BUNCH of non-fighting, 5-minute majors and VERY few suspensions for the hits that are causing them.
Most hockey footage is barely more conclusive than the Zapruder film. The "wizards-of-smart" behind their desks and in their cushy chairs at the office, need to start trusting the opinion of the people who are THERE! The on-ice officials.
Want to see this crap stop...make ANY stick, elbow, boarding, or non-offsetting major penalty carry an AUTOMATIC and non-reviewable two-game suspension. Second offense goes to four games; third goes to eight; fourth goes to 16 games. Keep the records over a 2-3 year period with older offenses dropping off.
Linden may have been an accident. Just like OConnor last year, I don't think he has a history, but it happened. But...make it two, three, or FOUR majors over two or three seasons...and it's a pattern.
And...to those expecting us to retaliate...I'll wear a thong and a tu-tu to the next game if Al actually does that! Memories of Komet players doing that are the type of ancient history that we see on the intro video...back when the Petting Zoo was... "THE JUNGLE."
Blake Sebring
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 5:55pm
Bob, Bob, Bob, you lunatic, you're trying to use logic in determining things about hockey, you fool! Your suggestion makes too much sense!
I think hockey in general, not necessarily the CHL, loves this kind of discussion because it is controversial and draws attention to the sport. If they really wanted to clean it up, they would have implemented exactly what you suggested years ago. Obviously, they do not want it cleaned up. Of course they'd also put two referees on the ice for every game, too.
They know it draws attention and gets people talking, and yes, gets people excited for rematches, revenge fights and such. One of my pet peeves about fighting is that it never resolves anything. Someone may go after Linden, then someone from Evansville will go after whomever went after Linden, and then there will be a rematch and blah, blah, blah. Does anything get resolved? Nope. Then it's just violence for violence's sake. Yipee and yawn.
I can remember one time in the 20-some years I've been covering the Komets where I felt like a fight resolved anything. I'll let you guys guess what it was because it's a fairly obvious one.
Other than that instance, I don't remember when a fight for payback ever finished anything.
Blake Sebring
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 5:56pm
Goodness gracious a thong? Major shrinkage.
It's also ancient history in all of hockey, period.
Blake Sebring
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 7:00pm
If the sport really wanted to deter acts of violence, it would establish guidelines on what the penalties would be for each act instead of trying to determine them after the acts. That's what the NBA did with fighting, by telling players beforehand if you leave the bench, you will automatically be suspended for one game. Thow a punch and it's X games.
Hockey has never done that, always trying to determine the extent of the punishment afteward. Or if it does, such as 10 games for leaving the penalty box to fight or such, they never stick to the established guidelines, especially in the minors. I think that is one way the sport, I won't say encourages but maybe allows these acts to continue to occur. If they really wanted to eliminate them they could fairly easily.
Sgriffith
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 7:42pm
Not disappointed in the non suspension of Linden more disappointed nobody went after him, and the next three games vs Evansville is in their barn and the slap shown over nd over on video board will more than likely draw a response from Sgroi. That was Benefield at his best stirring the pot.
Blake Sebring
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 8:01pm
Then if they do respond in Evansville, all you'll hear are people moaning and complaining because it didn't happen here.
Hockey Fan for Life
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 9:15pm
Even if it was a shoulder and not an elbow, it was still a shot to the head and deserving of a suspension. Plain and simple.
Primeval Forest Primate (formally JM)
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 9:50pm
If Bennefield played for Evansville and slapped Frankie DeAngelis like that Komet fans would be rioting in the streets and shouting about disrespect of the game.
There won't be a response to Linden unless a guy like Starenky takes it upon himself without Al's permission. I wouldn't hold your breath.
I wouldn't be shocked to see Jessie take a knee to knee or other cheapshot from one of Kromm's goons. Kromm will play dirty to send a message that his team should be respected. Al's "above that".
komets123
Tue, 12/20/2011 - 10:01pm
"If Bennefield played for Evansville and slapped Frankie DeAngelis like that Komet fans would be rioting in the streets and shouting about disrespect of the game. "
point?
Bottom line Schneider got what he deserved.. Benny delivered. end of story.
Jeremy Enright
Wed, 12/21/2011 - 7:57am
I would like to offer my services for a one game contract. I don't even need a stick. I'll go after Robinson. Then I'll take on Sgroi. Then I'll bask in the glory of being the newest fan favorite from my hospital bed at Parkview lol.
Primeval Forest Primate (formally JM)
Wed, 12/21/2011 - 9:16am
And when Sgroi smashes Benny into the ice, he'll also get what he deserves. End of story..
John McNeill
Wed, 12/21/2011 - 5:06pm
So Jm....you think Jesse deserves to get his arse handed to him for sticking up for his teammates? Schneider was hacking the Komets all game and when it came time to pay the piper,he whimped out. He got what he deserved. END OF STORY.
Primeval Forest Primate (formally JM)
Wed, 12/21/2011 - 11:03pm
Bennefield slapped him from behind the linesman. And yes, when you slap a grown man in the face you deserve to get stomped. When it gets played on a jumbotron for entertainment and to embarrass someone, its going to get their teammates attention, and they'll "stick up for their teammate".
Comments
the problem is you don't see the actual hit so it's not precisely clear what happened, according to the league. You don't see his elbow come down immediately afterward so maybe he just hit him with his shoulder.
So David Franke says he won't know until tomorrow at the earliest whether Auger will play or not. It kind of seems like double-talk to me as no one has mentioned what grade of concussion, how he did on his base-line test, or headaches, dizziness, vomiting, etc. OK, maybe the hippa laws don't allow it, but no one has a problem with calling the injury to Rizk as a knee bruise and mcl sprain.
By the way, where is Rizk in terms of his recovery and wouldn't you say that the Auger concussion is a factor in Dustin Molle coming off IR as soon as he will?
I would be very surprised if the K's put Auger back on the ice before the Christmas break is over. Even if he is close to returning ( and I doubt if he is), rest is the best cure for a concussion. Why would they put him in further danger when there are just two games left before Christmas and he could get an extra week of rest by missing those games?
Help me understand the K's IR situation, please.
Rizk and Auger are both out due to injuries suffered during games with Evansville. Gens took out Rizk, and Linden took out Auger. The actual elbow hit may not show up in the video, but the lineman obviously saw it since that is the penalty that was called. I find the CHL ruling very questionable, especially with all the focus and concern on concussions. I would have thought they would want to error on the side of caution.
I look at the gamesheets regularly from other games in the league...and I have noticed a BUNCH of non-fighting, 5-minute majors and VERY few suspensions for the hits that are causing them.
Most hockey footage is barely more conclusive than the Zapruder film. The "wizards-of-smart" behind their desks and in their cushy chairs at the office, need to start trusting the opinion of the people who are THERE! The on-ice officials.
Want to see this crap stop...make ANY stick, elbow, boarding, or non-offsetting major penalty carry an AUTOMATIC and non-reviewable two-game suspension. Second offense goes to four games; third goes to eight; fourth goes to 16 games. Keep the records over a 2-3 year period with older offenses dropping off.
Linden may have been an accident. Just like OConnor last year, I don't think he has a history, but it happened. But...make it two, three, or FOUR majors over two or three seasons...and it's a pattern.
And...to those expecting us to retaliate...I'll wear a thong and a tu-tu to the next game if Al actually does that! Memories of Komet players doing that are the type of ancient history that we see on the intro video...back when the Petting Zoo was... "THE JUNGLE."
Bob, Bob, Bob, you lunatic, you're trying to use logic in determining things about hockey, you fool! Your suggestion makes too much sense!
I think hockey in general, not necessarily the CHL, loves this kind of discussion because it is controversial and draws attention to the sport. If they really wanted to clean it up, they would have implemented exactly what you suggested years ago. Obviously, they do not want it cleaned up. Of course they'd also put two referees on the ice for every game, too.
They know it draws attention and gets people talking, and yes, gets people excited for rematches, revenge fights and such. One of my pet peeves about fighting is that it never resolves anything. Someone may go after Linden, then someone from Evansville will go after whomever went after Linden, and then there will be a rematch and blah, blah, blah. Does anything get resolved? Nope. Then it's just violence for violence's sake. Yipee and yawn.
I can remember one time in the 20-some years I've been covering the Komets where I felt like a fight resolved anything. I'll let you guys guess what it was because it's a fairly obvious one.
Other than that instance, I don't remember when a fight for payback ever finished anything.
Goodness gracious a thong? Major shrinkage.
It's also ancient history in all of hockey, period.
If the sport really wanted to deter acts of violence, it would establish guidelines on what the penalties would be for each act instead of trying to determine them after the acts. That's what the NBA did with fighting, by telling players beforehand if you leave the bench, you will automatically be suspended for one game. Thow a punch and it's X games.
Hockey has never done that, always trying to determine the extent of the punishment afteward. Or if it does, such as 10 games for leaving the penalty box to fight or such, they never stick to the established guidelines, especially in the minors. I think that is one way the sport, I won't say encourages but maybe allows these acts to continue to occur. If they really wanted to eliminate them they could fairly easily.
Not disappointed in the non suspension of Linden more disappointed nobody went after him, and the next three games vs Evansville is in their barn and the slap shown over nd over on video board will more than likely draw a response from Sgroi. That was Benefield at his best stirring the pot.
Then if they do respond in Evansville, all you'll hear are people moaning and complaining because it didn't happen here.
Even if it was a shoulder and not an elbow, it was still a shot to the head and deserving of a suspension. Plain and simple.
If Bennefield played for Evansville and slapped Frankie DeAngelis like that Komet fans would be rioting in the streets and shouting about disrespect of the game.
There won't be a response to Linden unless a guy like Starenky takes it upon himself without Al's permission. I wouldn't hold your breath.
I wouldn't be shocked to see Jessie take a knee to knee or other cheapshot from one of Kromm's goons. Kromm will play dirty to send a message that his team should be respected. Al's "above that".
"If Bennefield played for Evansville and slapped Frankie DeAngelis like that Komet fans would be rioting in the streets and shouting about disrespect of the game. "
point?
Bottom line Schneider got what he deserved.. Benny delivered. end of story.
I would like to offer my services for a one game contract. I don't even need a stick. I'll go after Robinson. Then I'll take on Sgroi. Then I'll bask in the glory of being the newest fan favorite from my hospital bed at Parkview lol.
And when Sgroi smashes Benny into the ice, he'll also get what he deserves. End of story..
So Jm....you think Jesse deserves to get his arse handed to him for sticking up for his teammates? Schneider was hacking the Komets all game and when it came time to pay the piper,he whimped out. He got what he deserved. END OF STORY.
Bennefield slapped him from behind the linesman. And yes, when you slap a grown man in the face you deserve to get stomped. When it gets played on a jumbotron for entertainment and to embarrass someone, its going to get their teammates attention, and they'll "stick up for their teammate".