Good article; but I think you put in Schrock's and Cescon's stats from 2 season ago while in the IHL2 and not last season CHL stats...
JungleMonkey
Fri, 07/08/2011 - 12:30pm
It kind of sounds like Toledo and ECHL teams want to help players move up. Mr. Franke's quotes don't really sound the same.
breslyn
Fri, 07/08/2011 - 1:25pm
I love me some Schrocky!! :)
JB
Fri, 07/08/2011 - 2:14pm
We signed Schrock with the promise that we would get him an AHL tryout just like we did last year.
JungleMonkey
Fri, 07/08/2011 - 2:48pm
A pre-season camp spot.. Im not downgrading that, but Toledo and the "E" focus on this throughout the season, and it attacts better young players. Once the season starts, the Frankes are committed to winning the CHL title at all costs which I appreciate... but if I'm a 20 year old player with potential to move up, that doesn't make me want to play in FW.
JR1
Fri, 07/08/2011 - 3:30pm
Let's face it, undrafted players have a slim chance to none of making it at the AHL level for any more time than a cup of coffee... Drafted players are where the big club have invested thier dollars and those are the players they are going to focus on, many times at the expense of a better player in the long run; but an undrafted player...
Not taking anything away from Schrock; but camp invites are ploys to bring in the good, younger players...
Blake Sebring
Fri, 07/08/2011 - 4:14pm
I can see both sides of this.
Player: Wants to move up so he can get paid more. If they are at the AA level, they are here for a reason, either not big enough, fast enough or have good enough hands.
Owner: Why should I pay you good money and then lose you to another team where I get nothing in return? How does that help me attract and satisfy my fans/customers? It doesn't do me any good if you're not here.
I guess I'm not convinced either way that helping players move up helps me attract better younger players, either. Did having Hodgman here help them attract better players? Not sure on that one.
I guess if I'm a paying customer, I'm selfish and want whatever is best for the team I'm paying to see.
Mr Snufflupugus
Fri, 07/08/2011 - 4:31pm
Players who want to move up are not 28+ years old. Unless the Komets start gearing towards players 25 and under than this will be the place older AA+ players go to have a chance to win a AA cup before retiring. That is great if you want to see AA hockey at a high level but not so great if you want to see future NHL talent.
I guess my point is I am not sure they are focused or care to attract younger players. If a good one falls in their lap then great.
Scooter
Fri, 07/08/2011 - 11:06pm
Blake do you think the Frankes have tried to get Steven Delisle from last year?
Blake Sebring
Sat, 07/09/2011 - 1:31am
I think he's still got a contract year with Columbus, so he'll be with their ECHL affiliate.
Greg
Sat, 07/09/2011 - 4:55am
JR. There are players that go undrafted that can make it to the higher levels. Even the NHL. Mathieu Darche for Montreal, Andy Delmore, who played 283 NHL games, David Desharnais for Montreal (who just signed a contract extension if memory serves), Pascal Dupuis, who won a cup with the Penguins. Just because a palyers doesn't get draft doesn't mean he has slim to no shot. It's up to them.
JR1
Sat, 07/09/2011 - 5:39am
Greg, I didnt say it was impossible, just a very, very slim chance...
There is NO denying that a teams main focus is on the players they drafted or traded for in their minor league system. Are there diamonds in the rough? Sure are; but you have to blow their socks off from the start to even have a chance. If your going to your second, third, fourth AHL camp and you have yet to catch on anywhere, the writing's on the wall; but you are ignoring it....
mightbite
Sat, 07/09/2011 - 11:33am
I can't find anything out about "bloomy". This is NOT good.This is stressful,not knowing.
They are also still talking to Christie to continue coaching in Bloomy for the new franchise... (Towards bottom of above article)
A couple weeks ago they also retained Riggs as their GM...
No word on new name, logo, or color scheme.... I hope that helps...
Blake Sebring
Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:39pm
Everybody in the CHL is fine for next year, rock solid. These ownership changes could end up being very good in the long run. I even heard something this week about Dayton maybe getting a new building in the future. Anybody else hear anything about that?
mightbite
Sun, 07/10/2011 - 5:10am
JR1, thanks. My "bloomy" friends got their STH money back & has not heard a word from them.
I will pass the word on.
JR1
Sun, 07/10/2011 - 6:49am
I know the "new" club opened offices a few weeks back; but they may be having troubles with the "old" club getting STH information from them??? I have heard nothing along those lines; but may be why no one has contacted them... Been an odd offseason for Bloomington hockey, thats for sure...
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Good article; but I think you put in Schrock's and Cescon's stats from 2 season ago while in the IHL2 and not last season CHL stats...
It kind of sounds like Toledo and ECHL teams want to help players move up. Mr. Franke's quotes don't really sound the same.
I love me some Schrocky!! :)
We signed Schrock with the promise that we would get him an AHL tryout just like we did last year.
A pre-season camp spot.. Im not downgrading that, but Toledo and the "E" focus on this throughout the season, and it attacts better young players. Once the season starts, the Frankes are committed to winning the CHL title at all costs which I appreciate... but if I'm a 20 year old player with potential to move up, that doesn't make me want to play in FW.
Let's face it, undrafted players have a slim chance to none of making it at the AHL level for any more time than a cup of coffee... Drafted players are where the big club have invested thier dollars and those are the players they are going to focus on, many times at the expense of a better player in the long run; but an undrafted player...
Not taking anything away from Schrock; but camp invites are ploys to bring in the good, younger players...
I can see both sides of this.
Player: Wants to move up so he can get paid more. If they are at the AA level, they are here for a reason, either not big enough, fast enough or have good enough hands.
Owner: Why should I pay you good money and then lose you to another team where I get nothing in return? How does that help me attract and satisfy my fans/customers? It doesn't do me any good if you're not here.
I guess I'm not convinced either way that helping players move up helps me attract better younger players, either. Did having Hodgman here help them attract better players? Not sure on that one.
I guess if I'm a paying customer, I'm selfish and want whatever is best for the team I'm paying to see.
Players who want to move up are not 28+ years old. Unless the Komets start gearing towards players 25 and under than this will be the place older AA+ players go to have a chance to win a AA cup before retiring. That is great if you want to see AA hockey at a high level but not so great if you want to see future NHL talent.
I guess my point is I am not sure they are focused or care to attract younger players. If a good one falls in their lap then great.
Blake do you think the Frankes have tried to get Steven Delisle from last year?
I think he's still got a contract year with Columbus, so he'll be with their ECHL affiliate.
JR. There are players that go undrafted that can make it to the higher levels. Even the NHL. Mathieu Darche for Montreal, Andy Delmore, who played 283 NHL games, David Desharnais for Montreal (who just signed a contract extension if memory serves), Pascal Dupuis, who won a cup with the Penguins. Just because a palyers doesn't get draft doesn't mean he has slim to no shot. It's up to them.
Greg, I didnt say it was impossible, just a very, very slim chance...
There is NO denying that a teams main focus is on the players they drafted or traded for in their minor league system. Are there diamonds in the rough? Sure are; but you have to blow their socks off from the start to even have a chance. If your going to your second, third, fourth AHL camp and you have yet to catch on anywhere, the writing's on the wall; but you are ignoring it....
I can't find anything out about "bloomy". This is NOT good.This is stressful,not knowing.
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/sports-general/20110709/Hines.Ward-Arrest/
This is dumb.
Thought I saw somewhere last week that the new team had made offers to six PT players. They are also negotiating with Jason Christie to coach.
Mightbite: New Bloomy franchise tendered contract offers to six players from last season.
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/hockey/professional/minor/prairiethunder/article_6b1c2c86-a809-11e0-b055-001cc4c002e0.html
They are also still talking to Christie to continue coaching in Bloomy for the new franchise... (Towards bottom of above article)
A couple weeks ago they also retained Riggs as their GM...
No word on new name, logo, or color scheme.... I hope that helps...
Everybody in the CHL is fine for next year, rock solid. These ownership changes could end up being very good in the long run. I even heard something this week about Dayton maybe getting a new building in the future. Anybody else hear anything about that?
JR1, thanks. My "bloomy" friends got their STH money back & has not heard a word from them.
I will pass the word on.
I know the "new" club opened offices a few weeks back; but they may be having troubles with the "old" club getting STH information from them??? I have heard nothing along those lines; but may be why no one has contacted them... Been an odd offseason for Bloomington hockey, thats for sure...