Strange question

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Blake, I don't know if anyone has a paper copy, but you can try this:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/edb/reader.html?magID=SI&issueDate=19670529&mode=reader_vault

That should open a window that has the whole issue.

I was able to find what I needed. Thanks.

The things we do for "Super Fan" just never ends.

SI must have b een a science fiction mag back then cause it had an article in it about the cubs being in third place! while were off the subject the cubs need to hire eric wedge and let sandberg get some seasoning.

Truthfully, where's the benefit of paying players under the table. You know you'll get caught eventually if you do. There are always disgruntled players willing to drop the hammer. It's not worth the risk.

In a perfect world, all is just.

Wedge as coach for the Cubs? You must be a Cardinals fan. No way!

Blake - Awesome point. I have often wondered why wouldn't a player blow the whistle on a team if treated poorly. in some cases they may try to. in cases we hear about they did. In all the others perhaps they are worried if they were to "rat out" one team, why would another take a risk on them. So if player x blew the whistle on "USA City" why would "Other USA City" want to deal that player any extra incentives. .... so kind of a reputation thing.

I'm just saying if a team does cheat, it all comes out sooner or later. Nobody can keep their mouths shut forever. Every locker room knows if an opposing team is cheating.

Something else: You'd have to be incredibly stupid to cheat this year when there are so many good players still looking for work. I just don't think there's that much benefit to cheating, especially this year.

Didn't Bobby Kulkulka drop the dime on the Franke's after getting cut a couple years ago on some cap "wiggle room"?

IMO when it does come out you hear it as rumor. Nothing ever comes of it. Most situations do not call for a player to contact media, league officials, that sort of thing. If a player was being paid "illegally" , and actually received his money, why would he blow the whistle? He could jeopardize future contracts with other organizations, and his reputation amongst peers and potential employers.

So i love your points Blake. Very compelling argument. It does seem like a heck of a risk. BUT, i still feel perks are offered to top tier players with a silent understanding. that being.. "listen kid.. your damn good. You deserve a little something extra, but blow it once and you blow it forever."

I recall something like that, too, JM. Can't remember the whole thing on it, but it is funny sometimes when a player gets cut, the things they will say when they leave and go to another team.....Rick Varone.....not naming names or anything. LOL. Bloomington fans sure loved reporting how much a PT player told them he hated it here.

Sour Grapes.

But why would you give any perks when there are dozens of players just as good out there who would take the actual contract offered? That would be stupid.

If Blake's argument that there isn't a need to cheat is true, or at least reasonable, then what is the downside of it? What happens if you get caught? How stiff is the fine, is expulsion a possibility? Are tax issues a possibility? Does that plus a blown reputation and trust (there is a degree of trust at the league level) make it worth it? I doubt it, not at this level.

Another way for the league to find out is from a former wife or jilted girlfriend. Happens all the time in other situations, they'll rat you out in a heartbeat, especially in an angry and broken heartbeat.

I think the cheating thing is way more gray than just clear cut black and white.

I think it does depend a lot on demand. I suppose if you have a influx of good players maybe it will drive costs down and no need for extra incentives would be needed. But when everyone is jumping ship to play in Europe, or go elsewhere, I would imagine players get offered a little extra in some way.

To think every team is honest and forthcoming about their dealings with players is naive to me. To feel every team with every player cheats all the time is over the top the other way. As with most things in life i feel the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Another thought, when people cheat or violate the law most of the time they don't plan on getting caught, they think they'll get away with it.

For me the best example was the man who got the contract to install the gas chamber in San Quintin prison. He later murdered his wife and was executed in that very gas chamber. He obviously knew the possible consequences of the crime, he just thought he was smart enough to get away with it.

Steve - i had never heard that story before but you gave me a good laugh. That is just awesome!

Rob - i agree, it is likely not as easy as black and white.

...I imagine if and when a team bypasses the salary cap they use clever ways of doing it. Find a way to throw some benefits to a player that can not come back directly to them.. so when disgruntled players, wives, and former pets want to get em in trouble they almost cant. Because nothing directly links them.. how is this possible?? Heck i dont know. Chances are many people do not know the way. Otherwise there would be a rule against it. ;-) .. I like the recent statement made by a fellow poster.. i think it was Hit who reminded us of slick willies statement of "what's the definition of is..?" .. questions like these is where tactful lawyers and business men make their living. Grey area is home sweet home

Maybe it is all on the up and up. I just hear to many stories from past and recent past to simply ignore.. I do not necessarily mean with the Komets. All of sports. Pro, Semi-pro, college, heck even hear stories breaking out of high schools..

/cheers... Here is to hoping i am totally wrong in this area, and everyone is keeping things by the books..

Komets 123, like me, you must not be married. When has a wife ever needed actual evidence to get a husband in trouble? Can I get an AMEN!

amen! too funny.

The way I see it, if someone has broken the rules or the law, there is nothing wrong with reporting it. One might choose not to, but that gets into hazy moral territory. How much is okay to overlook? It is never wrong to tell the truth. That said, since when is knowing you'll eventually get caught a deterrent? Granted, it makes dumb business sense, but it's just like "fooling around". Some people seem to be hard-wired to think they can get away with it.

I made a living off of those people who thought they could get away with it for over 31 years. I didn't catch them all but what I didn't get my brothers and sisters helped out. There were some I caught 3 or 4 times. Wait a minute--I digress. I am in the wrong time warp. We are talking hockey not law enforcment. I am married and Blake is 100% correct. Amen & Amen!