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Tailing the Komets

Suspension update

Kevin Harvey has been suspended two games and fined an undisclosed amount.

Colt King has been fined an undisclosed amount.

Josh Beaulieu has been fined an undisclosed amount.

No word yet on Franke fine, but there will be one.

Posted in: Komets


Sat, 04/23/2011 - 9:11pm

Right call on Harvey an argument could be made for King to get a game, but they did not give Reaney one so that is consistent. Any word from the league on if a player has a concussion he must wait seven days before he can return?

Blake Sebring
Sat, 04/23/2011 - 9:14pm

That is the recommended time. There is no hard and fast rule.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 9:18pm

Well that rule is in all contact sports.. One question is Harvey property of Columbus? If I remember correctly there was some speculation he was going to be assigned here earlier in the year, also Rat and Harvey were teammates in the AHL with cuse I believe.

Sat, 04/23/2011 - 9:24pm

Good news!! LETS GO KOMETS!!! Cescon can take care of Colt Chicken!!

Komets Kid
Sat, 04/23/2011 - 9:31pm

he was teammates with rat, they are both near the bottom

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 2:58am

As a Rush fan, no question that Harvey deserves a suspension and fine...that kind of a hit won't be tolerated. In defense to the CHL, the hit wasnt lateral or blindside... and yes it was to the head. A two game suspension is sufficient I think they made the right call on the King call (this wasnt exactly a "drive" to the boards)

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 5:42am

I agree with Steve. It was a bad hit and he did deserve a couple game suspension. I think that Reany should have got one and OC should have got 2. We had a couple rush fans at the game Wednesday and Friday in our section. Very nice people. They even said that Harvey should have be suspended. I wish it wasnt a 17 hour drive. I would love to go up there and see the Rush barn and meet some of their fans. Hope Sunday is a great game with a lot of clean and hard hitting. In the end the Komets pull out a close game!!!! GO KOMETS!!!

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 5:53am

should of got 3
here is a Cescon vs king fight ::http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/103999

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 5:54am


Sun, 04/24/2011 - 6:48am

We haven't seen it in action in some time, but when Cescon fights and lets the other guy get a couple hits on him, then goes into that pissed mode, well, usually it's game over for the other guy...

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 8:21am

Does the suspension mean that RC has to skate one player short tonight too?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 9:11am

Yes it does, Dan

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 9:44am

Chapter One (kidding): It's like the length of suspensions, etc is pulled out of a hat. Let's look at just two incidents - O'Connor suspension vs Harvey suspension. O'Connor comes off the bench for a line change and hits Menei at the blue line - huge debate over whether he actually hit Menei's head and whether it was intentional. Menei even said it was unintentional. Harvey slashes Drouin off the faceoff twice, then skates full bore from center ice to the K's bench and clearly throws an elbow to Ratchuk's head. No question from either side on the intent or whether he hit his head. You could argue premeditation on O'Connor's part, but there's no doubt Harvey's was premeditated. He was going to go after someone. Even after hitting Ratchuk he took a swipe at Krug.

In addition we have O'Connor with 32 PIM on the year, no history whatsoever as to dirty hits, etc. Harvey, on the other hand, has 194 PIM, a couple past suspensions in the AHL including this one http://blog.syracuse.com/crunch/2009/11/syracuse_crunch_forward_kevin.html 5 games in total - 4 of them for an elbow to the head.

So, what happens? 3 games for O'Connor and 2 for Harvey. Duane Lewis said in his statement after Menei returned that there's too much emphasis on the length of time lost because of injury. Well, why then wait on a medical report! That would have been my immeidate follow up question.

That's the problem with handing over a suspension based on how hurt the guy is. If Harvey would have connected more solidly to the side of Ratchuk's head and knocked him completely out of the game then would Harvey have been suspended longer? If so, its a crock. The only reason he wasn't hurt was because he spun out of the way at the last second. It's not because Harvey drew his elbow back.

When you judge suspensions by the injury you go down a slippery slope. You're relying on team doctors etc, which easily are biased - on all teams. If you instead base it on past history and the intent of the hit (subjective but in this case I would argue it's clear that Harvey's intent was to injure whereas O'Connor's was not).

The league here is saying that O'Connor's hit was worse than Harvey's. A shoulder to the chin in the open ice is worse than throwing yourself and your elbow at a guy's head. Isn't that interesting.

The NHL on down has to figure out what they're doing on these. If they want to crack down on head shots a better system probably would be to just make it an automatic # of games for each hit, getting progressively worse on your second offense, etc. Maybe an elbow or a stick to the head is 5 games, shoulder to the head is 3. Then it doubles the next time you do it. If you do it, you're out. Doesn't matter about intent, history, injury, etc.

Chad Ryan
Sun, 04/24/2011 - 10:22am

The Harvey hit on Ratchuk should've never happened. The ref, who did an otherwise decent job Friday night, blew that one. Harvey should've been sent to the box for slashing and unsportsmanlike before that faceoff ever took place. Twice, he deliberately whacked P.C. with his stick and even nudged his helmet into P.C.'s face while they were set up for the faceoff trying to get him to fight. The ref stood and watched the whole thing. That was the wrong time to put the whistle away. A double minor would've diffused he situation for the time being.

For two straight games Harvey went after someone deliberately trying to injure. Wednesday he went after Lardner, and Friday it was Ratchuk. Yeah, I get the whole "no fighting in the playoffs bit," but a Jon Mirasty, or better yet, a Brad MacMillan on the bench solves the Kevin Harvey issue before it ever becomes a problem.

Talk all you want about how much those guys can contribute, but here's a quote about Marty McSorley's role from the Edmonton Oilers Heritage website: "Oilers general manager and coach Glen Sather felt he could never have too much protection for his speedy star players. He also felt that if the Oilers had enough raw toughness to intimidate the opposition, the ice would open up for Wayne Gretzky, Jari Kurri and Mark Messier."

Aside from the belief that McSorley was likely a better skater and such, who's gonna argue with that?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 10:58am

Who pays these fines? Players? Team?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 11:05am

Right on Chad :)

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 11:12am

exact same thing i said Chad...should never have happened due to the slashes...i was ticked.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 11:34am

Blake, any way you can try to find someone from the CHL and ask why the game isn't on CHLtv???

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:00pm

Emailed CHLTV about the game and received a response 10 min later that it IS available. Just checked their website and on my computer it does show it as available for purchase now. Thank Goodness!! Don't know about anyone else, but I was freaking out a bit...

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:19pm

I was to!!! They just e-mailed said it was a go!!!! LETS GO KOMETS!!!!!!

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:58pm

So here we go. Game 5 of the semi-final conference series. Everything is at stake now and both teams have endured long bus rides just to get to the site of the final battle.

Both teams will be playing one man short, and although I believe the Komets not having Shrock and O'Connor in their lineup is far worse than Rapid City losing Harvey, I still think that this game will depend on the exact things that Blake Sebring wrote in paragraph 6, of his article published April 20th titled "Do or die: familiar spot for Komets."

If they do those things, the chances are good for a win.

"Do or die". It's a good description. If they have the will to come out flying, duplicate the effort of Friday's start, and continue the discipline they displayed, they can pull off this important road game. Make no mistake about it. The first team that gets away from their "game plan" will lose.

Rapid City, their coaches and players aren't stupid. This is their elimination game also. They are the home team and with that comes some advantages, for sure. It comes with it's own set of pressures also.

For the Komets, I would say, "just go right after them." Play dedicated to your plan and keep putting the pressure on no matter what the circumstance.

This has been one heck of a season. I can't remember too many seasons where I've felt more frustrated at times. The distance between opening night (4-0 Rush win), and Friday ( 4-1 Komet win ) seems as long as a 17 hour bus trip anywhere.

Do or die. Win or lose. No matter which one occurs, I want to thank the Franke's, Al Sims, and all of the players, ( especially, and I mean especially those who are here at the end and took on this hard journey ), to get us to a game 5 situation.

Do or die, win or lose. This is one season ticket holder who appreciates the effort by all.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 1:02pm

Great job, Chad. I will add that he should have had a 2 minute unsportsman like penalty for slamming his stick against the glass after he scored. That would have prevented the slashes to PC and, of course, the head hunting of Ratchuk. 2 games my rear end.

just a fan
Sun, 04/24/2011 - 1:46pm

This is where guys like Mirasty come into play. Harvey was Mirasty's line mate in Syracuse for two seasons. Harvey would not dare to pull that stunt if Mirasty was here. This kind of stuff is bound to happen when you have a soft team. You can talk all you want about Schrock or Cescon being tough but they aren't in even as close to intimidating factors.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 2:15pm

As much as I hate that Harvey wasn't sent off before he had the chance to take that run at Ratchuk, it ended up hurting them more than it hurt us, as Ratchuk now seems okay and now they've lost a roster spot to suspension as well. Aside from the loss of Schrocky to injury, everything is even now for game 5. I liked the way Mele played on Wednesday and will look for him to be as good or better tonight.

I'm starting to feel jacked up now. Just wrote a novel on my thoughts on this series in the comments on http://insidedakotasports.com/watch-game-4-highlights-komets-fans-wait-for-rush-outside-locker-room/comment-page-1#comment-5702

I know it's too long but I think it's a fair accessment from a Komets fan. Hoping for a good, clean, hard fought game tonight with the more disciplined team coming out on top. :)

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 3:16pm

I sent this to Jim Holland of the Rapid City Yournal,after I read his "article"

Wow,thats how you describe what happened?
"O'Connor got the heave for three games for shouldering Ryan Menei early in Game 2. Harvey will sit for throwing an elbow at Komet Mike Ratchuk in Friday night's Game 4."

Shouldering and throwing an elbow,thats why they were suspended,anyone reading your description would not have a clue why they were suspended.

Who wrote this for you?

Komet Fan
Sun, 04/24/2011 - 5:22pm

We have missed MacMillan all year... That was the biggest mistake the Franke's made in the off-season.. Not only could he stand up for our skilled players, he was also able to contribute from time to time..Yes, he did take stupid penalties from time to time, but his presence far outweighs any negatives..

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 3:52pm

Chad....perfectly stated. You are absolutely dead on in that whole "novel".