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Two things strike me about this. It shows how badly these buildings need tenants, especially publicly owned buildings, and $500,000 for 50 percent of an ECHL team? Are you kidding me?

Want an easy way to tell if a team is in trouble? Multiply their total attendance by $10 which it a little less or a little more the average each team's income for an average ticket. The average Class AA minor league budget is between $2.5 million and $3.5-$4 million. Figure $500,000 for marketing/advertising income. Now you can really see how many teams are struggling.

The way this all works, teams sign licensing agreements with their leagues, and when those agreements are up, that's when it's easiest for them to change leagues. That's what happened in Victoria (AHL), Odessa and Colorado in the CHL. The IHL teams do not have licensing agreements which is parr of the reason why this is a two-year deal with the CHL.

A bunch of teams throughout all leagues have their agreements finish up after next season. If a major restructuring is ever going to happen, that's when it will be. There are also a bunch of teams in every league for sale with no buyers.

Also, Rapid City isn't going anywhere, and there won't be any new CHL expansion teams next year. Looks like 12-14 teams next season.

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Wed, 06/01/2011 - 2:24pm

Victoria was in the ECHL

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 4:16pm

Ryan Jorde played for Victoria. Anyone wants his jersey?

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 5:43pm

Trouble everywhere?? The ECHL is gaining 2 teams and only losing 1. The CHL lost a huge team in Colorado and a few more, and gained zero teams.

The SPHL is probably going to gain a few teams.

Looks like the only "trouble" is in the CHL.

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 7:08pm

No new expansion teams unless you count Bloomington, I suppose. (grumble, grumble).

First period of the Stanley Cup finals in the books. Scoreless so far. Vancouver has looked nervous. Boston has been steadier but a little slow. Chara knocked on his butt by Rome. Some interesting pushing and shoving at the end of the period that took a while to break up. Penalties probably coming there. Canucks need to forget about the Cup for now and just play. Green Men up to their usual antics.

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 7:09pm

Am I the only one that thinks the franchise in Reading, LeVar Burton permitting, should be called the Rainbows?

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 8:10pm

Still scoreless. Canucks still look nervous, but maybe settling down a little. Thomas looking strong, but Luongo is hanging in there, too. Burrows apparently bit Bergeron's finger in that brawl earlier. I wonder how long he'll be out. I'm guessing 1, maybe 2. Looking like one of those games where one goal will make all the difference. If the Canucks get it, it would do wonders to calm them down, but at this point, it's looking like Boston will.

Hit Somebody!!!
Wed, 06/01/2011 - 8:50pm

I think everyone should read this article too.

Make sure you see there are 2 pages on this one at the bottom of the page you click the (2)......


This is very telling on the state of The CHL, as one of the more successful teams both in the league and in that community, to this moment hasn't much of a clue how they will go on for another year.

This is the team that won the CHL Championship.

Think about the other CHL teams that are worse off than the Bugs are......

What a mess.

Wed, 06/01/2011 - 9:03pm

Was looking very much like Game 7 of Boston/Tampa Bay for the longest time -- I had a feeling there would be no penalties in the 3rd, and there weren't -- but momentum looked to be shifting in the final 2 or 3 minutes as the Bruins finally started looking tired. Torres pops one in with 18.5 left for a Canucks victory. Too bad for Thomas. He was putting on a clinic out there. It didn't help that Vancouver kept trying to go 5-hole on him. Regarding period 2, fairly awesome hip check on Lucic.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 2:11am

How about the Reading Railroaders? I'll be the Scottie Dog natch.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 2:33am

What really amazes me about this story is that Reading was by far the strongest team in the Midwest/Northeast part of the ECHL attendance-wise when I was watching the ECHL a few years ago. They actually had decent numbers night in and night out. Everyone else was lucky if 2000 showed up. They're still second only to Toledo.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 7:14am

I guess my question is how do you know Rapid City isn't going anywhere ? From what I'm hearing they are also looking at the ECHL to.

Eric Tomlinson
Thu, 06/02/2011 - 7:40am

Brilliant, chuckapuck, just brilliant! Of course, if they follow Wendy's idea, I'll be the race car!

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 10:22am

I believe I may have posted on the licensing agreement situation a couple of weeks ago. There are a number of ECHL teams whose agreements expire after next season. Decisions will need to be made by these teams when that time comes. Maybe some will have an epiphany regarding the state of "AA" hockey and will be much more willing to agressively explore a merger. I think the K's brass knew the situation and opted for the CHL and their two year agreement to "see" where the hockey landscape would be at that time.

Meetings in Phoenix on June 10th and 11th. Lots of decisions and info should come from those meetings. June 10th and 11th? That fits nicely into the 7-10 day time frame, doesn't it?

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 12:17pm

That will be very interesting on what comes out of the meetings next week in Phoenix. I'm really curious to see what both Ft. Wayne and Rpiad City will do. If you take those 2 teams out of the CHL the outcome wouldn't be good.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 3:12pm

I watched last nights game & fell asleep with 1 min. left :(
I know why Wendy was watch ECHL hockey a few years ago :)

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 7:04pm


Hit Somebody!!!
Thu, 06/02/2011 - 8:21pm

It is too late for RC and FW to go anywhere for this coming season other than Dark or the CHL.

The ECHL all ready has schedules out for next year.

Too Late.

Both teams have obligations in the CHL next season anyway.....2012-1013.....Let the bidding begin.

Hit Somebody!!!
Thu, 06/02/2011 - 8:21pm


Fri, 06/03/2011 - 1:04am

1013... Little John at power forward! ;) I'm glad you found your way back, Hit.

Fri, 06/03/2011 - 9:10am

Are there any opinions on what Ft Wayne and Rapid City will do after next year ?

Fri, 06/03/2011 - 1:04pm

Yeah, scroll up. So far it looks like there are about 19 different ones...

Fri, 06/03/2011 - 2:06pm

It looks like Ft Wayne may replace Colorado as the rivals for the Rush next year.

Silly Season
Fri, 06/03/2011 - 8:53pm

Trouble Everywhere? Just because Franke says it, doesn't mean it's true.

What AA teams budget is $3.5-$4 million? Come on, that's a high end AAA teams budget like Hershey, who by the way can afford it.

And an average ticket price of $10 sounds awful low to me. Most teams cheapest ticket is more than that.

Blake Sebring
Fri, 06/03/2011 - 11:51pm

You don't think teams like Alaska or Colorado which fly to most road games wouldn't be near that?

I was told by several people over the last few days that most teams would love to be able to get between 12-15 out of each ticket but most are around 9 or 10 mean average which means you take out the state taxes, building fees that are on each ticket, Ticketmaster, etc.

Sat, 06/04/2011 - 3:30pm

This is another "mess"
It just makes people worry.
The off season is stressfull.
I'm going to drink my 24oz Labatts & enjoy my pool.
Watch the Stanley Cup & quit all of this worry, stress,mess.

Sun, 06/05/2011 - 1:26pm

In my experience, stress is usually something we create for ourselves. If there is nothing better to worry about, we'll stress out over whether it is going to rain on our picnics. Even dogs can be stressed out. I suppose they think if they weren't around to bark at every tree limb scraping against the side of the house, their "pack" would collapse into ruin.

Another awesome Stanley Cup game last night. 11 seconds. I didn't even have time to focus my attention after the intermission. "Er... What just happened?" That, my friends, is the negative side of having an extremely aggressive goaltender. Hey, there has to be some trade-off. There always is.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 8:15am

OT goal scored by a guy who shouldnt have been playing.......

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 10:02am

I think someone will make him pay for his stupidity in Boston.
Will make more sense there.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 12:10pm

All I have to say aobut that is that Boston has some nerve for complaining that he shouldn't have been playing when Horton shouldn't have been playing in game 7 against Tampa Bay when he scored the game winning (and only goal from either team) that night. Okay, so this was a Game 2 instead of a Game 7. Okay, so I suppose you could agrue that biting is a worse offense than assaulting a fan with a water bottle. Both were suspendable offenses. It's a non-suspension for a non-suspension. And it is true that biting is something that can be very difficult to prove conclusively. Personally, I don't like that the enforcement of the rules changes depending of whether it is regular season or post, the first period or overtime, Game 2 or Game 7, and in this case, from the conference finals to the league finals. But that's just the way it is.

andy sherman
Mon, 06/06/2011 - 3:10pm

What about Peverly's two handed slash on Bieksa (sp)?