This news ought to roast some chestnuts on an open fire.
I guess the answer to this is to get into a league that has better travel and try to pull some other geographical choices with you to that league.
It is absolutely incredibly and positively stupid that Toledo, K-Zoo, Chicago, and Cincy are right there within in spitting distance and we aren't teamed up with those teams plus Dayton,, Evansville and Bloomington and maybe a few others to allow for a good relationship for a hockey league that makes sense economically for travel and for real opportunities for fans to enjoy every aspect of the league which includes roadtrips and real rivalries that are realistic.
confused with logic?
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 4:06pm
Ok, so ticket prices are increasing because travel has increased being in the CHL. I guess I could understand that logic if most of the 33 away games required extensive or flight travel, but correct me if I'm wrong but a large portion of our away games are still with IHL teams that would still be part of the "geographic foot print" that is talked about. Dayton, E-Ville, Bloomington and Q-City account for 24 out of 33 away games??? Out of those 9 games with traditional CHL team 6 are played back to back nights to save of travel. Sorry, but I cant afford season tickets for me and my entire family so a discount there does me no good, and I have a hard time following the little black dot on the ice sitting in the nose bleeds let alone having my kids try to do it. I will get to a few games a gain this year when I can afford the more "expensive" tickets, but costs being what they are my entertainment budget will get spread around to things that are just as cheap as the nose bleeds. Heck I can see a movie 30 rows backs with popcorn and a drink for the same price as a seat up in the rafters with the same popcorn and drink. Sorry to rant, but it seems a little over board to say geogrophy is causing price increases IMO. Besides, 70% of the home games are between the same FOUR old IHL teams, so I'll probably save my $$ for those few games when a CHL team comes to town...
TheBauer
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 4:27pm
...and the attendance will continue to go down.
JR1
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 4:30pm
lol...... you arent supposed to see thru the smoke and mirrors......
In all honesty though, all they would have had to do is site the ever increasing medical costs, workman's comp costs, etc... as reasons for the increase in ticket pricing and left it at that... Most will understand it was a long time coming...
My only complaint would be the timing.... They increased prices after a craptastic season when it should have been done after the last IHL2 championship heading into the CHL... IMO
Blake Sebring
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 4:33pm
Yep, they tried to do the decent thing last year, and now a lot of people will try to nail them for it. Tough, tough business.
Again, why would anyone want to be a minor league owner?
JR1
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 4:33pm
Attendance will continue to go down because of the wonderful economy.... I know too many good, hardworking people out of work right now and several others who are cutting way back on luxuries like entertainment just in case....
mightbite
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 4:36pm
I sell some tickets,most Sun. Wed.
KometKrazy
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 4:40pm
I have no problem sitting in the nosebleed section. The first couple of rows you still get a good view of the whole rink. Also don't forget the papers carry $6 coupons to be used any home game for all ages. One $6 coupon will buy as many tickets as you want. I sat there for about 16-18 of the 20 games I went to last year and I enjoy them.
JR1
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 5:10pm
I agree KK... Thats where I sit most games now and use those coupons often... You also get to stretch out most of the time and dont have to worry about having some dipstick sitting right next to you yelling 'shoot' the entire game...lol
Its also a great place to sit if you have young kids... They can play around up there without interferring with anyone else during the game...
JR1
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 6:08pm
Did anyone see the announcement that the Chicago Express made a while back? Dollar beer and dogs on ALL 11 Friday night games....
Nice!
Mr Snufflupugus
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 6:28pm
Fans especially in Fort Wayne but really everywhere will always complain anytime more money comes out of their pocket.
The fact that the cheap tickets remain cheap and STH are rewarded for their loyalty shows a commitment to both those who can afford STH and those who are on a budget but still want to get to the rink with their families. T
Hockey Fan for Life
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 6:31pm
Owners of the Komets = Corperate FatCats. Only us smart people see through the smoke and mirrors and will stop going to komets games. Hey Blake why don't you tell us what are the populations and the average incomes of those other chl cities you listed prices for compared to Fort Wayne. You must have conveniently forgot to. I believe 0 of what the frankes say.
Hit Somebody!!!
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:06pm
Snuff Snuff Snuff.....I thought we were buddies.
LOL
JungleMonkey
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:26pm
Comparing the ticket prices to $45 seats in Tulsa that are Row 1 only on the glass isn't exactly apples to apples. Same with Missouri.
Hit Somebody!!!
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:47pm
It is what it is.
You know?
They raise the prices and can give whatever reason they want, really.
People can complain on here about it, and then be told they are wrong for complaining by people who don't actually pay to watch the games.
I was waiting for Schebig and Burgee and Co. to pile on and tell everyone how the ticket prices are just skippy.
Pour some more Orange tinted Foo Foos.
No worries.
AHL prices for Low AA hockey.
Mr Snufflupugus
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:49pm
Sadly nothing short of free with make some fans happy.
Hit Somebody!!!
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:53pm
The Bauer had a comment in the wrong topic....
Blake Sebring
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:58pm
OK, then how about the $32 or the $26 tickets in Missouri, or the $35 or $25 tickets in Tulsa where cheapest ticket is $20.
Hit Somebody!!!
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 7:58pm
TheBauer Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 5:21 pm
That
JR1
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:02pm
And people wonder why minor league hockey has a hard time surviving???...
Hit Somebody!!!
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:07pm
I just looked back at all the posts here...
NO ONE said Free or just Short of it.
This season will cost more because it is the 60th season....
They will have lots of great things in store and it will cost alot of money....right?
I think the advertisers should have to pony up extra money for traveling costs and save the fans some money.
LOL
JR1
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:08pm
I had forgotten they raised prices last season too.....
TheBauer
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:12pm
Thanks Hit!
I wondered where that comment went. I had 3 different "Tailing the Komets" windows open at one point. The one from last year, this one and one other one.
Thank you for finding that for me.
old guy
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:19pm
Ben going to Komet games since the early 60's.The quality of play in the chl is awful.The prices should be cut not raised.I will be staying home most of the time.
Mr Snufflupugus
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 8:21pm
Hit...
How do you know they didn't raise my rates for this season ?
;-)
My point is, nobody including myself is happy when I have to pay more for things. Whether it be food, advertising, hockey or anything else.
But everytime the Komets raise prices people turn the team into villains. How dare they make a profit? Big bad evil Franke brothers gouging the poor Komet fan.
I guess being in business I am used to people complaining about how things have caused costs to go up. Well...back in 1991 when gas was around $1 a gallon and you could get a taco at Taco Bell for 29 cents I guess ticket prices were lower too.
I'd love to see the Komets do one game where people pay what they want to pay for their ticket. I bet they fill the place and don't take in $20,000.
Hit Somebody!!!
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 9:38pm
I just wonder if there is some "profit sharing" going on....
Dayton and Bloomy and QC could use some "sharing".
How do those team expect to make it through the season with empty seats.......
PLUS
Higher Travel Costs
Higher Insurance Rates
Higher Equipment costs
Paying players
Paying utilities
eating tuna fish sandwiches.
Playing the scratch-offs.
Paying the Zamboni Driver
Paying Ushers
Paying Parking Attendants
Etc. Etc. Etc.
Are their tickets at our level.....I have not a clue...someone will post it.
But either way...how do those teams make it?
Are we propping them up? Just a quesiton.
Let me go hide now as I am afraid of the wrath I have just unleashed upon myself.
The sun is bad....very bad!!! (Benchwarmers Reference)
Burgee
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:15pm
the ticket prices are just skippy. i'm pretty sure one or more bus companies went under recently which means they weren't making money so whoever replaces them is going to charge more to cover their increased costs so they don't go under, it aint pretty out there and it hasn't been for a while. refiners will start switching over to winter blends before the season starts and gas prices will climb even more.
my best guess is both the E and the C will be propping teams up this year, i'm just glad that Komets have an ownership group that knows what to do to keep our team stable.
through the 60 years, have the past 20 been the most stable financially we've ever had? i would rather have that stability with increased prices then any financial instability like some other former local professional teams.
The Komets are my choice for winter entertainment, if it costs more, so be it, i'll just eat one less hot dog per game.
JR1
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:22pm
1. winter blend gas is cheaper to make.....
2. The Komets games are about the ONLY choice for winter entertainment around here.....
Hit Somebody!!!
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:30pm
3. The IHL2 was stable? Really?
Burgee
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:35pm
where is our supply and demand friend for that lesson.
movies, dining out........
komets as a team hit, not refering to a league
"through the 60 years, have the past 20 been the most stable financially we
Comments
This news ought to roast some chestnuts on an open fire.
I guess the answer to this is to get into a league that has better travel and try to pull some other geographical choices with you to that league.
It is absolutely incredibly and positively stupid that Toledo, K-Zoo, Chicago, and Cincy are right there within in spitting distance and we aren't teamed up with those teams plus Dayton,, Evansville and Bloomington and maybe a few others to allow for a good relationship for a hockey league that makes sense economically for travel and for real opportunities for fans to enjoy every aspect of the league which includes roadtrips and real rivalries that are realistic.
Ok, so ticket prices are increasing because travel has increased being in the CHL. I guess I could understand that logic if most of the 33 away games required extensive or flight travel, but correct me if I'm wrong but a large portion of our away games are still with IHL teams that would still be part of the "geographic foot print" that is talked about. Dayton, E-Ville, Bloomington and Q-City account for 24 out of 33 away games??? Out of those 9 games with traditional CHL team 6 are played back to back nights to save of travel. Sorry, but I cant afford season tickets for me and my entire family so a discount there does me no good, and I have a hard time following the little black dot on the ice sitting in the nose bleeds let alone having my kids try to do it. I will get to a few games a gain this year when I can afford the more "expensive" tickets, but costs being what they are my entertainment budget will get spread around to things that are just as cheap as the nose bleeds. Heck I can see a movie 30 rows backs with popcorn and a drink for the same price as a seat up in the rafters with the same popcorn and drink. Sorry to rant, but it seems a little over board to say geogrophy is causing price increases IMO. Besides, 70% of the home games are between the same FOUR old IHL teams, so I'll probably save my $$ for those few games when a CHL team comes to town...
...and the attendance will continue to go down.
lol...... you arent supposed to see thru the smoke and mirrors......
In all honesty though, all they would have had to do is site the ever increasing medical costs, workman's comp costs, etc... as reasons for the increase in ticket pricing and left it at that... Most will understand it was a long time coming...
My only complaint would be the timing.... They increased prices after a craptastic season when it should have been done after the last IHL2 championship heading into the CHL... IMO
Yep, they tried to do the decent thing last year, and now a lot of people will try to nail them for it. Tough, tough business.
Again, why would anyone want to be a minor league owner?
Attendance will continue to go down because of the wonderful economy.... I know too many good, hardworking people out of work right now and several others who are cutting way back on luxuries like entertainment just in case....
I sell some tickets,most Sun. Wed.
I have no problem sitting in the nosebleed section. The first couple of rows you still get a good view of the whole rink. Also don't forget the papers carry $6 coupons to be used any home game for all ages. One $6 coupon will buy as many tickets as you want. I sat there for about 16-18 of the 20 games I went to last year and I enjoy them.
I agree KK... Thats where I sit most games now and use those coupons often... You also get to stretch out most of the time and dont have to worry about having some dipstick sitting right next to you yelling 'shoot' the entire game...lol
Its also a great place to sit if you have young kids... They can play around up there without interferring with anyone else during the game...
Did anyone see the announcement that the Chicago Express made a while back? Dollar beer and dogs on ALL 11 Friday night games....
Nice!
Fans especially in Fort Wayne but really everywhere will always complain anytime more money comes out of their pocket.
The fact that the cheap tickets remain cheap and STH are rewarded for their loyalty shows a commitment to both those who can afford STH and those who are on a budget but still want to get to the rink with their families. T
Owners of the Komets = Corperate FatCats. Only us smart people see through the smoke and mirrors and will stop going to komets games. Hey Blake why don't you tell us what are the populations and the average incomes of those other chl cities you listed prices for compared to Fort Wayne. You must have conveniently forgot to. I believe 0 of what the frankes say.
Snuff Snuff Snuff.....I thought we were buddies.
LOL
Comparing the ticket prices to $45 seats in Tulsa that are Row 1 only on the glass isn't exactly apples to apples. Same with Missouri.
It is what it is.
You know?
They raise the prices and can give whatever reason they want, really.
People can complain on here about it, and then be told they are wrong for complaining by people who don't actually pay to watch the games.
I was waiting for Schebig and Burgee and Co. to pile on and tell everyone how the ticket prices are just skippy.
Pour some more Orange tinted Foo Foos.
No worries.
AHL prices for Low AA hockey.
Sadly nothing short of free with make some fans happy.
The Bauer had a comment in the wrong topic....
OK, then how about the $32 or the $26 tickets in Missouri, or the $35 or $25 tickets in Tulsa where cheapest ticket is $20.
TheBauer Says:
August 22nd, 2011 at 5:21 pm
That
And people wonder why minor league hockey has a hard time surviving???...
I just looked back at all the posts here...
NO ONE said Free or just Short of it.
This season will cost more because it is the 60th season....
They will have lots of great things in store and it will cost alot of money....right?
I think the advertisers should have to pony up extra money for traveling costs and save the fans some money.
LOL
I had forgotten they raised prices last season too.....
Thanks Hit!
I wondered where that comment went. I had 3 different "Tailing the Komets" windows open at one point. The one from last year, this one and one other one.
Thank you for finding that for me.
Ben going to Komet games since the early 60's.The quality of play in the chl is awful.The prices should be cut not raised.I will be staying home most of the time.
Hit...
How do you know they didn't raise my rates for this season ?
;-)
My point is, nobody including myself is happy when I have to pay more for things. Whether it be food, advertising, hockey or anything else.
But everytime the Komets raise prices people turn the team into villains. How dare they make a profit? Big bad evil Franke brothers gouging the poor Komet fan.
I guess being in business I am used to people complaining about how things have caused costs to go up. Well...back in 1991 when gas was around $1 a gallon and you could get a taco at Taco Bell for 29 cents I guess ticket prices were lower too.
I'd love to see the Komets do one game where people pay what they want to pay for their ticket. I bet they fill the place and don't take in $20,000.
I just wonder if there is some "profit sharing" going on....
Dayton and Bloomy and QC could use some "sharing".
How do those team expect to make it through the season with empty seats.......
PLUS
Higher Travel Costs
Higher Insurance Rates
Higher Equipment costs
Paying players
Paying utilities
eating tuna fish sandwiches.
Playing the scratch-offs.
Paying the Zamboni Driver
Paying Ushers
Paying Parking Attendants
Etc. Etc. Etc.
Are their tickets at our level.....I have not a clue...someone will post it.
But either way...how do those teams make it?
Are we propping them up? Just a quesiton.
Let me go hide now as I am afraid of the wrath I have just unleashed upon myself.
The sun is bad....very bad!!! (Benchwarmers Reference)
the ticket prices are just skippy. i'm pretty sure one or more bus companies went under recently which means they weren't making money so whoever replaces them is going to charge more to cover their increased costs so they don't go under, it aint pretty out there and it hasn't been for a while. refiners will start switching over to winter blends before the season starts and gas prices will climb even more.
my best guess is both the E and the C will be propping teams up this year, i'm just glad that Komets have an ownership group that knows what to do to keep our team stable.
through the 60 years, have the past 20 been the most stable financially we've ever had? i would rather have that stability with increased prices then any financial instability like some other former local professional teams.
The Komets are my choice for winter entertainment, if it costs more, so be it, i'll just eat one less hot dog per game.
1. winter blend gas is cheaper to make.....
2. The Komets games are about the ONLY choice for winter entertainment around here.....
3. The IHL2 was stable? Really?
where is our supply and demand friend for that lesson.
movies, dining out........
komets as a team hit, not refering to a league
"through the 60 years, have the past 20 been the most stable financially we