Schrock didnt do his job this season, plain and simple...
The only reason he stayed on this team us because he is the sacred cow from Fort Wayne...
Andy Sherman
Tue, 03/12/2013 - 11:36am
Florida scored their first goal Saturday on an offensive zone hooking penalty (aka a lazy penalty) by Schrock. Saying that he had nothing to do with the losses is absurd. Every player did had a hand in those losses. He was invisible just as most of the other players on the Komets were.
Alan
Tue, 03/12/2013 - 11:39am
Unless your name is Blake Sebring, no one is going to tell me how long my posts will be! Who/Suz, in the comments above, seems to take it upon himself to be the moderator in suggesting length of posts. I think "concise" was the word he used, and "you know who you are" in terms of identifying those contributors. Funny from someone who doesn't use his real name.
The situation, as it exists today, is a complex one as the Komets are about to end one of their most frustrating seasons in their history. There isn't one particular event that led to this. It is the "perfect storm", as David Franke described it to last seasons' players. I have taken notes on this phenomenon and , if it weren't so sad, it would be funny.
Many of you, through your posts, have either pointed out things that contributed to this dismal showing, or have offered suggestions on how to change things up. Some have been accepted, some have been rejected by the readers. Good for you as this is a blog for discussion. I, for one, realize that some don't like to read "books". OK, skip by those.
Finally, to the subject of "booing". Frustrated fans will "boo" to vocalize their feelings of not being satisfied. Just the same as when they "cheer". But please consider this; sometimes a fan will "boo", not as an expression at the players, but as a communication to the owners, to let them know how they sre feeling.
Now, and for about the tenth time after a post, let me end with my REAL name. My number is in the book if you'd like to discuss this any further.
Alan Hines.
JC
Tue, 03/12/2013 - 11:57am
I don't buy the 3rd line argument. Rizk and Firman have played on the 3rd line the majority of the year and they both have had decent point production. All I said about Chaulk was that he is a better player and leader than Schrock. I also never said #79 was the reason they are losing. He just hasn't played his role well and I still contend that you don't waste a vet spot on a guy like him. Who else in the ECHL would sign Schrock as a vet? I bet if you took a poll of coaches there wouldn't be one that would do it. It's a product of the way he has played this year and a product of the league.
RG2
Tue, 03/12/2013 - 1:28pm
Not betting Schrock wont be here next year but have to agree with most of the comments that the cap of four veteran players you sign have to give you more then just leadership. Schrock has been an intregal part of team over his tenure here. Greatly enjoyed watching crazy legs play. Im sure his goals for this year have not been met. ..... Im sure most of the players goals have not been met for that matter.
We are all getting to know the ins and outs of this league. I think some of you are forgetting that you dont have to have 4 vets. Thats only a maximum that can dress fopr each game. Whether the Komets go solo without afffiliate, keep same or add will dictate who they go after in resigning or new signing. I have to agree with most also- keep Rizk, Smith, Marino, Milam and healthy Chaulk.
Ron Heathman
Tue, 03/12/2013 - 3:28pm
Sorry Andy but the first goal Sat nite was a perfect cough up pass from Schaus to a Florida player in front. Second goal Butler was caught behind the net leaving a wide open player in front of net resulting in a goal. Schrock had nothing to do with either. Both goal happened within minutes of each other. Lets not make up scenarios to bash players !
JR1
Tue, 03/12/2013 - 3:54pm
Ron, he was saying that Schrocks hooking penalty lead to Florida's first goal on the PP... Schrock was in the box when Florida scored...
Who/SuZ
Tue, 03/12/2013 - 4:00pm
Thanks to those of you for your short and interesting posts.....clear CONCISE and easy to read thru. Its nice to see most all of us do not take ourselves so seriously.
Still want Smith, Auger, Rizk, Bouch, Charlie and Marino back....Schrock based on prior comments read is questionable at best....interesting to read all the Schrock feedback....no affiliations and a new coach.
Booing is still in my estimation a way to show contempt for a team....as fans we need to support the team even when they may be doing poorly.
Ron Heathman
Tue, 03/12/2013 - 4:38pm
What JC said was that Schrocks penalty was lazy. There is such a fine line with hooking calls ... it can good defensive playing if you don't get caught and a penalty if you do. What i resent is because it was a Schrock penalty you say its a lazy penalty. It was a borderline penalty or a good D effort depending if the ref calls it. It deffinately wasn't a lazy play on Schrocks part. Why do you think most of Chaulks penaltys are hooking calls. He plays D right on the edge or.........or are his penalty calls because he's a lazy player also ? Marino is in the same boat. Yes there are some hooking calls made because a player gets caught naping but this was not the case with that penalty.
JC
Tue, 03/12/2013 - 6:44pm
Ron, my comment was about his penalty on Henley. It was a stupid penalty when he knew Henley wouldn't drop the gloves. His hooking call was lazy as is most hooking calls in general. It usually means guys aren't moving their feet.
Andy Sherman
Tue, 03/12/2013 - 9:59pm
Ron... Schrock's hooking call was made when the Komets were in the Florida zone. It was not a defensive play. he was chasing the puck carrier deep in the Florida zone, 180 ft from his net, when he stuck his stick in and hooked him. That is hardly a good defensive play.
Comments
Schrock didnt do his job this season, plain and simple...
The only reason he stayed on this team us because he is the sacred cow from Fort Wayne...
Florida scored their first goal Saturday on an offensive zone hooking penalty (aka a lazy penalty) by Schrock. Saying that he had nothing to do with the losses is absurd. Every player did had a hand in those losses. He was invisible just as most of the other players on the Komets were.
Unless your name is Blake Sebring, no one is going to tell me how long my posts will be! Who/Suz, in the comments above, seems to take it upon himself to be the moderator in suggesting length of posts. I think "concise" was the word he used, and "you know who you are" in terms of identifying those contributors. Funny from someone who doesn't use his real name.
The situation, as it exists today, is a complex one as the Komets are about to end one of their most frustrating seasons in their history. There isn't one particular event that led to this. It is the "perfect storm", as David Franke described it to last seasons' players. I have taken notes on this phenomenon and , if it weren't so sad, it would be funny.
Many of you, through your posts, have either pointed out things that contributed to this dismal showing, or have offered suggestions on how to change things up. Some have been accepted, some have been rejected by the readers. Good for you as this is a blog for discussion. I, for one, realize that some don't like to read "books". OK, skip by those.
Finally, to the subject of "booing". Frustrated fans will "boo" to vocalize their feelings of not being satisfied. Just the same as when they "cheer". But please consider this; sometimes a fan will "boo", not as an expression at the players, but as a communication to the owners, to let them know how they sre feeling.
Now, and for about the tenth time after a post, let me end with my REAL name. My number is in the book if you'd like to discuss this any further.
Alan Hines.
I don't buy the 3rd line argument. Rizk and Firman have played on the 3rd line the majority of the year and they both have had decent point production. All I said about Chaulk was that he is a better player and leader than Schrock. I also never said #79 was the reason they are losing. He just hasn't played his role well and I still contend that you don't waste a vet spot on a guy like him. Who else in the ECHL would sign Schrock as a vet? I bet if you took a poll of coaches there wouldn't be one that would do it. It's a product of the way he has played this year and a product of the league.
Not betting Schrock wont be here next year but have to agree with most of the comments that the cap of four veteran players you sign have to give you more then just leadership. Schrock has been an intregal part of team over his tenure here. Greatly enjoyed watching crazy legs play. Im sure his goals for this year have not been met. ..... Im sure most of the players goals have not been met for that matter.
We are all getting to know the ins and outs of this league. I think some of you are forgetting that you dont have to have 4 vets. Thats only a maximum that can dress fopr each game. Whether the Komets go solo without afffiliate, keep same or add will dictate who they go after in resigning or new signing. I have to agree with most also- keep Rizk, Smith, Marino, Milam and healthy Chaulk.
Sorry Andy but the first goal Sat nite was a perfect cough up pass from Schaus to a Florida player in front. Second goal Butler was caught behind the net leaving a wide open player in front of net resulting in a goal. Schrock had nothing to do with either. Both goal happened within minutes of each other. Lets not make up scenarios to bash players !
Ron, he was saying that Schrocks hooking penalty lead to Florida's first goal on the PP... Schrock was in the box when Florida scored...
Thanks to those of you for your short and interesting posts.....clear CONCISE and easy to read thru. Its nice to see most all of us do not take ourselves so seriously.
Still want Smith, Auger, Rizk, Bouch, Charlie and Marino back....Schrock based on prior comments read is questionable at best....interesting to read all the Schrock feedback....no affiliations and a new coach.
Booing is still in my estimation a way to show contempt for a team....as fans we need to support the team even when they may be doing poorly.
What JC said was that Schrocks penalty was lazy. There is such a fine line with hooking calls ... it can good defensive playing if you don't get caught and a penalty if you do. What i resent is because it was a Schrock penalty you say its a lazy penalty. It was a borderline penalty or a good D effort depending if the ref calls it. It deffinately wasn't a lazy play on Schrocks part. Why do you think most of Chaulks penaltys are hooking calls. He plays D right on the edge or.........or are his penalty calls because he's a lazy player also ? Marino is in the same boat. Yes there are some hooking calls made because a player gets caught naping but this was not the case with that penalty.
Ron, my comment was about his penalty on Henley. It was a stupid penalty when he knew Henley wouldn't drop the gloves. His hooking call was lazy as is most hooking calls in general. It usually means guys aren't moving their feet.
Ron... Schrock's hooking call was made when the Komets were in the Florida zone. It was not a defensive play. he was chasing the puck carrier deep in the Florida zone, 180 ft from his net, when he stuck his stick in and hooked him. That is hardly a good defensive play.