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Tailing the Komets

Fleming called up

The Komets have lost center Scott Fleming to a call-up to Worcester of the American Hockey League. Fleming is second among all ECHL rookies with 34 points on 11 goals and 23 assists.


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:19pm

Good for him.  This is just an example of a player working hard, not giving up on his goal.

Now I'm left to wonder how hard our GM is working to make up for his loss, and the fiasco that has ensued since the "no report clause" wasn't part of the Lang trade.

Honestly I don't know why any GM wouldn't include that clause in any trade.  It should just be automatic.  Just to trust that something will "work out", is a lack of "due diligence" on his part.   (And I don't care if it had never happened before.  How tough is it to protect yourself)?

I'm very happy for Fleming.  Again, not bad for a guy who was going to have trouble just to make the team.



Ron Heathman
Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:21pm

I'm sure the Orlando player will meet the K's in Wheeling so we won't be shorthanded ! 

Ron Heathman
Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:29pm

At least the K's won't have to contend with Chaz Johnson. He was suspended for 8 games.

Blake Sebring
Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:42pm

They're going to put Auger at center between Embach and Marino. Jeremy Gates will be the 10th forward.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 1:00pm

Blake, think there is any connection with Fleming called up and  San Francisco , being the farm team for Worchester(San Jose) and their soon to be wholesale dispertion of their team? San Jose had signed 5 players on the Bulls roster.  San Jose will need to not only place these players but will also need a affiliation.   My gears are turning. Opportunity awaits. 


Happy for Fleming. I dont see him coming back anytime soon. Hope its a short vist though. He is a very good player. Smaller John Purvis

Old Quotes
Tue, 01/28/2014 - 1:11pm

This has been addressed previously on this blog:

Honestly I don't know why any GM wouldn't include that clause in any trade.  It should just be automatic.  Just to trust that something will "work out", is a lack of "due diligence" on his part.   (And I don't care if it had never happened before.  How tough is it to protect yourself)?

I'm not sure why it has to be brought up over and over again

This is nothing more than a continued attack even after an answer has been provided.

Old Quotes
Tue, 01/28/2014 - 2:27pm

here it is:




Franke also took the blame for not including a clause in the trade agreement that nullified the deal if a player chose not to report. He said he usually does that with every trade, but has not included such a clause since the Komets joined the ECHL two years ago.

``I used that a few times in the IHL, UHL and CHL, but this one turned out to be the stinker that the player decided not to report,'' he said. ``We've made a lot of trades over the last two years and never had a problem, but now that it's happened one time, I won't trust anybody.''

He said the Komets have tried over the last two years to convince the ECHL of a need for a reciprocal agreement with the CHL but have been rebuffed. The same thing happened last year in Evansville with star center Todd Robinson..

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 2:55pm

I am very happy for Fleming.  Great story having not played hockey for a year and a half and gets to the AHL. Good for him.  Sad for me, other season ticket holders and all  Komet fans. I am sick of watching Gates trying to be a forward. We lose Marino or Auger and who will playing forward then?  The Komets want our playoff money and soon a deposit on next year. I need a barf bag.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 3:05pm

Do you see the irony in your response "old quotes"? Cut Alan some slack. He is an extremely passionate fan of the Komet's in what is a very confusing, frustrating, and frankly sad year of hockey in the Fort. I can't tell you how many times I've replayed the same thoughts as Alan in my mind this season. It is sad when hockey fans for various teams comment that "there is something wrong in Ft Wayne" and a once proud hockey communtiy is the laughing stock of minor league hockey. Soft as Charmin hockey, no passion or willingness to step up for a teammate, checking (which is actually something besides a service your bank provides), trade after trade after trade, failure to report, excuse after excuse...

Exciting hockey is not dead, just in Ft Wayne. If you like this euro (Detroit Red Wings) style of hockey good for you. Give me Boston Bruin/Philadelphia Flyer style anyday. That is what will earn my entertainment dollar. Better yet, give us AHL (I know, already been talked about and beat to death). I would gladly purchase club seat rights for that!!!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 3:58pm

Sorry if I bothered you, Old Quotes.

The reason it keeps coming up again and again is because we've been told again and again that the compensation would be here by the next weekend.  Then the next weekend.  Then the next weekend. And between periods of the game in Elmira on Saturday, he told the radio audience it should all be settled in the beginning of the week.

As far as being "sorry" that the mistake has been made is one thing, taking a month to come to a conclusion is another.  Anybody can make a mistake, that's for sure.  But being a GM, where trades and player movement is just simply part of the landscape, this is just about inexcusable.

Now we've lost another forward.  That puts us down to three scoring forwards.  So bad that Gates has to move up to a forward spot again. 

I don't think that I speak only for myself on this topic.  I think the Franke's and the Komets have reached a fulcrum point.  There are SO MANY disappointing aspects to this season that  paying fans are just sick of the ineptitude.

My greatest wish is that I would be proved wrong.  I wish that a headline would appear later today stating the Komets have received the compensation from Orlando they were seeking, that they have signed one or two guys from San Francisco, and that there is a player coming in from Europe at the end of the month.  I wish I could say that, but I know I can't.

A fan base, as Fort Wayne's, shouldn't have to worry about being entertained, the atmosphere, the roster, and such.  Listen to what Embach said about the fan base here.  Did you watch last nights' show?  On a team struggling with its offense and power play, to lose any one of the top four forwards is pitiful.  (Congratulations to Fleming.  He did his job and got promoted.  We have four other forwards that are simply weak.  Because they are so weak offensively, this team can't afford take a hit losing one of their top four, instead having to bring up a defenseman who didn't even start two of the three games in Elmira.)

Well, that playoff invoice is still on my kitchen table.  The one that's due on 2/20.

Without some front office help (and a lot of it) no one will have to make the decision I'm struggling with.


P.S.  Thanks, Kevin.

Old Quotes
Tue, 01/28/2014 - 4:48pm

we've addressed the "trade clause" in this thread.

Now you bring up

"we've been told again and again that the compensation would be here by the next weekend.  Then the next weekend.  Then the next weekend. And between periods of the game in Elmira on Saturday, he told the radio audience it should all be settled in the beginning of the week."

They are related but not the same, so lets address this one:



"Usually when it takes this long, it's because a team is waiting to get someone back off injured reserve or a recall so they can free up a body. Another possibility is the Komets were given X number of players to pick from and they are taking their time to decide which one they want.  With this recent stretch, they can afford to be choosy."

Then you responded

"Blake, I just read your comment posted back to me earlier.

I think you caught my drift perfectly.  Your statement "they can afford to be choosy" is EXACTLY what I want them to be and what I wanted to hear and read.  It implies they are not satisfied, yet are taking their time to pick whomever and whatever they perceive to be the best addition to the team."


Also, "Because of ECHL rules, the Komets have not been allowed to reveal their parts in recent trades" which can be found here: http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130801/SPORTS/130739917/0/SEARCH


Both issues have been addressed.

If the GM were allowed to give specifics we would have them by now.


its not ineptitude, its the ECHL and how it works to feed the machine.

its the ECHL, if your players are good they will get called up, don't count on having a great top line intact all year, shorthanded or not, first place or last place.


if you like your seat pay the invoice, if not i'm sure you can get an available seat thru ticketmaster if they should make the playoffs.

your passion for this team predicts you will pay the invoice.




Tue, 01/28/2014 - 6:44pm

Read everything you wrote, Old Quotes.  Read my stuff you quoted me on also. 

The fact is that I want them to be "choosey".  I want them to get a player to actually help this team.  But that comment of mine was written on 1/13.  That was two weeks ago and at least twice since then the fanbase was told that the player would be here by the weekend.  OK, some have speculated that this guy is injured and until the injury is over, he cannot be announced.  (Workman's comp issues, I believe was the reason).  That made sense to me.  But between the second and third period of the Elmira game Saturday evening, David Franke made the statement that the player would be announced early in the week.  Blake, on a different thread just today or yesterday said to a poster that he asks every day about the "futures" from Orlando and gets no repsonse.

If there is a guy coming, great.  If things have fallen through (such as the guy refuses the trade), then that's great too.  Just give some credible information instead of this ongoing drama.

I don't have to know WHO it is, I just want to kmow what the holdup is or why the delay.

Old Quotes, I do appreciate the time you have taken to involve yourself with the research, my quotes, and the Komet stories.  I don't agree with you but I respect your opinion and the thoroughness of your convictions.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 7:17pm

im tired of the same complaint over and over. franke admitted screwing up when he left the clause out of the trade. a player from there (they dont really owe us anyone but want to be fair)will be picked when and if his injury is ok . its been said over and over.  all they can tell you is what they know. if they ecpected it this week and it didnt happen its hard to say whose fault it is. and remember you as a season tickey holder agreed to buy playoff tickets when you bought your season tickets so you have no choice but to pay the invoice.  so its a bad season  , get over it. you all wanted to move up and you got it so welcome!  glad were not one of the teams below us or you people would have to commit suicide!  its just entertainment and tho i dont like the style of play with no hitting and no fighting and were out of a playoff spot at the moment, its still hockey and its  in fort wayne. count the positives and be negatve when you want but why all the personal attacks??????   

off the post
Tue, 01/28/2014 - 8:24pm

in regards to a previous thread.. jr1 .. i never mentioned the word concussion.. as far as accumlitive  blows  to the head and brain damage .. im sure the likes of the boogard family, muhamad ali's family and many many  more would disagree with your assessment. i seriously doubt you have ever been in a hockey fight, but im sure you have a professional opinion of it.

Old Quotes
Tue, 01/28/2014 - 8:57pm

it really is a simple answer, if the GM were allowed to give specifics we would have them by now.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:21pm

Off the post... The media only focuses on fighters when they speak of concussions and head injuries in hockey because there is an agenda out there these days to "soccer mom" the sport...

They never seem to point to guys like Pat LaFontaine, Sidney Crosby, Jonathen Toews or countless other non fighting hockey players who suffer concussions every season....

And FYI, I've been in plenty of pond hockey fights, high school fights, fights in the military, etc... and am proud to say I never started one... I ALWAYS had the backs of my friends, team mates, and fellow military members. I also have never suffered a concussion from any fist fight...

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 1:36am

On a previous thread, Blake Sebring, when asked if he's heard any news on the Orlando futures said, "No idea.  I ask every week."

Go to part #2 of the "Inside the Zone" taping.  The question of the Orlando "futures" come up and I think a little frustration filters through as Blake says, "its not like they don't need players", he also extols the need for "talent, fresh bodies, hungry players", then states "its ridiculous, you basically loaned the top scorer in the league for nothing."

He also points out that the Komets may be getting two players from Orlando but "you have to get the first one in, first."

Go to the site, listen to part #2, and you will hear the words, and more importantly, the context they were given.

The idea that Fleming got called up has nothing to do with this except for the fact that it eviscerates the situation and makes it worse.  With so little scoring, (top heavy with only four scoring threats on the team) either someone was going to be called up or injured.  This roster just can't take too many "hits".  This roster is just too vulnerable now.

The roster is, ultimately, the responsibility of the GM. 

Frankly I don't have any real idea about the San Francisco roster.  But with so many "holes" on this Komet roster, you'd think someone could help make the K's stronger.  They're quoted as saying they are interested in three players.  Of course, other teams are also.  I don't have much faith in the Komet front office pulling a coup. 

They have plenty of "dead weight" on this roster and now they have the opportunity to improve the team.  I'm glad that "old quotes" and "chuckitt" believe that everything will turn out OK.  We'll see.  But the schedule is moving right along.  Games against some pretty good ECHL teams are on the horizon.  In my opinion this roster isn't prepared to meet the challenge.

"Need" is being met by "opportunity".  The right "futures" plus "free agent San Francisco player(s)", plus returning "European league players", could equal a lot of success. 

Just as Blake used the word "urgency", when describing the players and what their efforts should include, there should be an "urgency" in the front office also.

Time is moving by.

While anybody can make a mistake, afterward they need to do the next best thing. Also never make the same mistake again.  If the Franke's are doing the "next best thing" now, I will happily apologize for my impatience, passion, and lack of faith.

Like I posted above, we'll see.  The actions and response will be out there for all to see.