The fight was pretty even for the most part. The fight ended after Schrock was dropped to his knees by that punch to his eye. He did take one for the team and should be commended for it. Now will they learn from that, that remains to be seen.
Alan
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 12:32pm
Sorry, but I've got to wonder what happened between Thursday at 11:59pm and today.
I'm referring to the post submitted by Ivan DeJesus who proclaimed that fighting was DONE. OVER.
I'm referring to the inference that as a member of the ECHL, (a league we all "wanted", his words - not mine) we should just learn to "get over it". He questioned the wisdom of sticking up for a teammate when that action could derail your own career. Look, before I go on and end up misquoting things, go read it for yourselves. It was part of a Friday thread (on this blog site) which contained 30 comments.
It was followed by Blake's comment, "amen Ivan..." Make sure you read the whole thread so you get everything in order and in the proper context.
Now, apparently, this Schrock fight "inspired" an entire team to victory. Just 24 hours later.
If last Wednesday, immediately after Makarov got hit, I would submit that going after the Wings player would've been the thing to do...and I'm wondering if the lack of ANY action contributed to the willingness to have Schrock partake in the fight against Toledo.
I don't see the difference, and I'm not trying to criticize, but the two things run absolutely opposite in my mind. So which is it?
Blake Sebring
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 12:38pm
Toledo's second goal was definitely soft, Indy. We'll see if Meisner does it every game like Makarov.
Ivan DeJesus
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 2:16pm
That's like saying Global warming isn't an issue because it was really cold this past week.
Its over. Get over it. Move on.
Love Schrocky but do you think all the typical ECHL players are jumping in line for a cut and eye swollen shut?.......... NO! What would that get that typical ECHL player, a little love from the fans until he doesn't fight anymore. Doesn't give em any $cratch or propel them to the next level.
Maybe last weeks cold weather is preserving the dead horse so it can be beaten longer.
joe
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 2:30pm
First off does this Ivan watch NHL hockey cause the last game between the bruins and Canadians featured 4 fights some came from prior games some came from.sticking up for team mates. Blackhawks foolish goat ran into and shaw knocked the guy on his butt. Watch some footage or look at box scores to see that physical is not over in upper leagues.
Jeremy Enright
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 2:40pm
Alan, you're 100% right. The Komets were already winning when Schrock got in his fight. So they took an uninspired lead before that?!? And to pretend that the K's won a game inspired by a fight that occurred when they were already winning, means that we should attribute the loss on Wednesday to Schrock not getting in a fight.
But hey, if it takes a fight to inspire these guys to win, then every loss this year is blamed on Schrock for not fighting or "inspiring".
Besides agreeing with Alan, nothing else I wrote is logical. But that's what I get out of the article written by Blake.
chuckitt
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 3:14pm
if you know how to read and digest words then you would know that the article says the komets were winning but the fight inspired the komets to keep the momentum going which lately is a problem. we keep taking the leaad then we cough it right back up. so if the players themselves say the fight inspired them , then who are you armchair goalies to say anything different??? im tired of the bS goes on here recently and now you people are attacking blake?????? some of you people need to get a life. im beginning to think that some of you wont be happy until the team folds or moves away.
Blake Sebring
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 3:36pm
I wasn't even planning on writing much about the fight, but that's what everybody in the locker room was talking about. My usual first question to every player is, ``Well, what did you think about the game?'' and that's what they started with.
Did they show the guys up on the bench after the fight on TV? I'm guessing not since it was Toledo TV.
No matter what anyone else thinks, those guys love Schrock. And really, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks if the guys in the room follow him. The rest is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what I think, either.
Observer
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 3:47pm
Hate to disagree with some of the self-appointed "experts," but Blake is 100% correct in that the rest of the guys like Schrock. I sit close enough to the Komet bench at home games to hear what they are saying. When Schrock fights, you can hear them saying, "Come on guys. Schrocky's got it going."
OldHockeyFart
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 4:48pm
I agree with Blake. For what ever reason some people more credit to what some so called fan says over direct quotes of players and Blake's reporting. I
I've known Blake since he started covering the Komets and works unreal hours to get you the stories. He doesn't operate off rumors and claim they are facts. You might not agree with what he writes but I'm waiting for actual proof from anyone of him being wrong on the facts.
I need to get away from reading this blog as it makes me angry that so many sheep believe people with no true connections to the team know more then those that work full time covering the team!
Ivan DeJesus
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 5:17pm
Apparently the last NHL game had a ton of fights so all of a sudden fighting is back. I stand corrected with hard facts. Take the blinders off, its over.
Get with the program. Done. Done. Done. Fighting is gone, its not a part of a players mentality anymore.
Enjoy Schrocky Balboa, he is the last of a dying breed.
Wait until the NHL gets serious about concussions.
Ivan DeJesus
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 5:36pm
Fighting is declining, just the facts.
http://www.hockeyfights.com/stats/
BOOM
And I think those stats includes said game with all the fights.
You don't even have to watch NHL games to understand those facts
Kevin
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 5:37pm
Here's a statistic for you. AHL's Bridgeport Sound Tigers have played 37 games and have 60 fights. The Norfolk Admirals have played 36 games and have 56 fights. I'm seeing a pattern here. Ivan, I respect your opinion but I have to disagree with you on this one unless of course you are only talking about the Komets.
While I understand concussion concerns, the day they ban fighting in the NHL is the day the sport dies.
Sgriffith
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 6:16pm
Actually Ivan fighting in the NHL is actual on par to previous years to say it is down is not actually true. If you look at the presason it actually made a huge jump from 2011-12, so fighting is still a part of the hockey landscape now the bench clearing brawls from years past are no where in sight. Secondly trying to draw a comparision from the NHL to the ECHL is not a very good way to prove a point. Here are some Fight number totals for you to look over:
Ontario: 39 Stockton: 39, San Fran: 38 Orlando: 35 Las Vegas: 33 Wheeling: 32 Bakersfield: 29 looks like the rough stuff in the West mostly. Komets are 16th in the league at 23 one of the lowest total number in a long time. Most of the division the K's play in is some of the lowest.
CHL Numbers: Allen: 42 Brampton: 36 Tulsa: 36 Arizona: 31 Klotz leading FM leader at with 12 and Bochek has 9
So fighting in the minors is still there, and the K's could have somebody besides Schrock if they wanted to they have opted not to have a "tough" club. They could have brought Klotz back and they cut Bochek. Those two alone would have help Schrock in the Fighting department.
Ivan DeJesus
Sat, 01/11/2014 - 7:18pm
For every AHL Bridgeport there is an NHL Carolina.
You have to look at the whole picture.
The said teams in said recent big fight game are two of the top fighting teams.
Everything is trending down since 2008-09 season, some of those key stats are down 25-30%, if this were a stock trending that way and the NHL wanting to take a harder stance and a looming concussion issue to address, I would invest elsewhere.
Look at the number of players fighting, it is alarmingly low compared to the past, once they cycle thru what will happen.
Comments
The fight was pretty even for the most part. The fight ended after Schrock was dropped to his knees by that punch to his eye. He did take one for the team and should be commended for it. Now will they learn from that, that remains to be seen.
Sorry, but I've got to wonder what happened between Thursday at 11:59pm and today.
I'm referring to the post submitted by Ivan DeJesus who proclaimed that fighting was DONE. OVER.
I'm referring to the inference that as a member of the ECHL, (a league we all "wanted", his words - not mine) we should just learn to "get over it". He questioned the wisdom of sticking up for a teammate when that action could derail your own career. Look, before I go on and end up misquoting things, go read it for yourselves. It was part of a Friday thread (on this blog site) which contained 30 comments.
It was followed by Blake's comment, "amen Ivan..." Make sure you read the whole thread so you get everything in order and in the proper context.
Now, apparently, this Schrock fight "inspired" an entire team to victory. Just 24 hours later.
If last Wednesday, immediately after Makarov got hit, I would submit that going after the Wings player would've been the thing to do...and I'm wondering if the lack of ANY action contributed to the willingness to have Schrock partake in the fight against Toledo.
I don't see the difference, and I'm not trying to criticize, but the two things run absolutely opposite in my mind. So which is it?
Toledo's second goal was definitely soft, Indy. We'll see if Meisner does it every game like Makarov.
That's like saying Global warming isn't an issue because it was really cold this past week.
Its over. Get over it. Move on.
Love Schrocky but do you think all the typical ECHL players are jumping in line for a cut and eye swollen shut?.......... NO! What would that get that typical ECHL player, a little love from the fans until he doesn't fight anymore. Doesn't give em any $cratch or propel them to the next level.
Maybe last weeks cold weather is preserving the dead horse so it can be beaten longer.
First off does this Ivan watch NHL hockey cause the last game between the bruins and Canadians featured 4 fights some came from prior games some came from.sticking up for team mates. Blackhawks foolish goat ran into and shaw knocked the guy on his butt. Watch some footage or look at box scores to see that physical is not over in upper leagues.
Alan, you're 100% right. The Komets were already winning when Schrock got in his fight. So they took an uninspired lead before that?!? And to pretend that the K's won a game inspired by a fight that occurred when they were already winning, means that we should attribute the loss on Wednesday to Schrock not getting in a fight.
But hey, if it takes a fight to inspire these guys to win, then every loss this year is blamed on Schrock for not fighting or "inspiring".
Besides agreeing with Alan, nothing else I wrote is logical. But that's what I get out of the article written by Blake.
if you know how to read and digest words then you would know that the article says the komets were winning but the fight inspired the komets to keep the momentum going which lately is a problem. we keep taking the leaad then we cough it right back up. so if the players themselves say the fight inspired them , then who are you armchair goalies to say anything different??? im tired of the bS goes on here recently and now you people are attacking blake?????? some of you people need to get a life. im beginning to think that some of you wont be happy until the team folds or moves away.
I wasn't even planning on writing much about the fight, but that's what everybody in the locker room was talking about. My usual first question to every player is, ``Well, what did you think about the game?'' and that's what they started with.
Did they show the guys up on the bench after the fight on TV? I'm guessing not since it was Toledo TV.
No matter what anyone else thinks, those guys love Schrock. And really, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks if the guys in the room follow him. The rest is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what I think, either.
Hate to disagree with some of the self-appointed "experts," but Blake is 100% correct in that the rest of the guys like Schrock. I sit close enough to the Komet bench at home games to hear what they are saying. When Schrock fights, you can hear them saying, "Come on guys. Schrocky's got it going."
I agree with Blake. For what ever reason some people more credit to what some so called fan says over direct quotes of players and Blake's reporting. I
I've known Blake since he started covering the Komets and works unreal hours to get you the stories. He doesn't operate off rumors and claim they are facts. You might not agree with what he writes but I'm waiting for actual proof from anyone of him being wrong on the facts.
I need to get away from reading this blog as it makes me angry that so many sheep believe people with no true connections to the team know more then those that work full time covering the team!
Apparently the last NHL game had a ton of fights so all of a sudden fighting is back. I stand corrected with hard facts. Take the blinders off, its over.
Get with the program. Done. Done. Done. Fighting is gone, its not a part of a players mentality anymore.
Enjoy Schrocky Balboa, he is the last of a dying breed.
Wait until the NHL gets serious about concussions.
Fighting is declining, just the facts.
http://www.hockeyfights.com/stats/
BOOM
And I think those stats includes said game with all the fights.
You don't even have to watch NHL games to understand those facts
Here's a statistic for you. AHL's Bridgeport Sound Tigers have played 37 games and have 60 fights. The Norfolk Admirals have played 36 games and have 56 fights. I'm seeing a pattern here. Ivan, I respect your opinion but I have to disagree with you on this one unless of course you are only talking about the Komets.
While I understand concussion concerns, the day they ban fighting in the NHL is the day the sport dies.
Actually Ivan fighting in the NHL is actual on par to previous years to say it is down is not actually true. If you look at the presason it actually made a huge jump from 2011-12, so fighting is still a part of the hockey landscape now the bench clearing brawls from years past are no where in sight. Secondly trying to draw a comparision from the NHL to the ECHL is not a very good way to prove a point. Here are some Fight number totals for you to look over:
Ontario: 39 Stockton: 39, San Fran: 38 Orlando: 35 Las Vegas: 33 Wheeling: 32 Bakersfield: 29 looks like the rough stuff in the West mostly. Komets are 16th in the league at 23 one of the lowest total number in a long time. Most of the division the K's play in is some of the lowest.
CHL Numbers: Allen: 42 Brampton: 36 Tulsa: 36 Arizona: 31 Klotz leading FM leader at with 12 and Bochek has 9
So fighting in the minors is still there, and the K's could have somebody besides Schrock if they wanted to they have opted not to have a "tough" club. They could have brought Klotz back and they cut Bochek. Those two alone would have help Schrock in the Fighting department.
For every AHL Bridgeport there is an NHL Carolina.
You have to look at the whole picture.
The said teams in said recent big fight game are two of the top fighting teams.
Everything is trending down since 2008-09 season, some of those key stats are down 25-30%, if this were a stock trending that way and the NHL wanting to take a harder stance and a looming concussion issue to address, I would invest elsewhere.
Look at the number of players fighting, it is alarmingly low compared to the past, once they cycle thru what will happen.