They have won three of last four to build North Division lead
Martin 3 games played, -3. Leach 4 games played, -3. Szydlowski no games played (on this call-up).
Faille 11 games played, 1 assist, -5.
By my count Lake Erie has 8 defensemen. And at least both Martin and Leach have gotten into games.
Texas has 14 forwards.
As with most on here, I've got no problem at all with the AHL teams calling back their own players. It just seems to me that there should be some kind of compensation to the ECHL team who has lost the use of a non contracted player (especially when the player is called up and then doesn't dress).
Maybe the ECHL Board of Governors should direct President Brian Mckenna to negotiate some kind of safeguard so that his (I think they're "his", because many times I think he's working for the NHL-AHL teams instead of the ECHL) teams are awarded some sort of stipend.
Boy , if they did do that, can you imagine the lump in his throat, and the sweat falling off of his brow?
Its been well documented here that the ECHL teams ARE COMPENSATED when a non-contracted player is called up to the AHL.
Holy smokes, chicken little. The Komets have won 3 of the last 4 games. Crowder, and few others have been on fire and all you want to keep going back to is the 3-4 guys who have been called up, their +- in the AHL and how the ECHL brass cant run the league.
Give it a rest AGAIN.
Alan, its ok. I agree with you. Just because thats the way it is does not mean you have to like it. Keep the passion brother!
A blog is to praise, query, get answers, ask questions AND VENT.
but alan is correct. wait till playoff time and what happens when other teams get loaded up but our ahl team is in the midst of a deep run and they take whatever they can get which can lead up to us being full of southern league guys, we do need some kind of protection. i have stated before that i think that if a team calls up a non contracted player then they must dress that player. that would help to keep a core still in town and would mean that an ahl team must really have a need before they can raid a team of talent. imageine what could happen if grand rapids calls up a bunch of our guys which allows toledo to go around us in the standings> it is perfectly leagal and it could happen. and you need to tell us what are we compensated for when a non contracted player is called up?? i dont know of us receiving anything in return??????
I'll post it again...This is from the PHPA site.....Do your own research next time, Chuckit.
Are ECHL Players allowed to play in the AHL or NHL?
In the event the League and team receive an executed contract/try-out agreement from an AHL/NHL team, the Player shall be allowed to report to that League.If the team or the Player receives a try-out offer from an NHL/AHL team with no affiliation with the ECHL team, the Player shall not accept the try-out offer until the ECHL team has received a $500 development fee from the non-affiliated NHL/AHL team for each call-up.
Here is another scenario to keep in mind and its very possible. The closer to the end of the AHL season gets, depending on where Lake Erie is in the standings, and if its more likely that they DONT make the playoffs, the more influx of players you might see get sent down( need I think min. 6 games in ECHL to qualify for playoff roster?? ) Lake Erie cannot arbitrarily send players for the playoffs. Each player has to have played so many games prior in the regular ECHL season ( withthat team)AND the Komets have to put them on the playoff roster when submitted to the league.
I was not that rah-rah with Perlini but putting him on the line with Pistilli and Crowder, he is like a new man. He seems to have more jump in his step. Its good to see. Im sure even Blake could bury a few playing left wing with Crowder and Pistilli. Chuckitt- you are absolutly correct. Very strong line. Playing well. You could see magic opening night in Indy with those two.
I meant Hawk, not chuckitt. gotta give credit where its due
It was nice to see Kyle Thomas finally get a goal, two in fact. He has quietly been a steady player on the third line and it was good to see him get a couple. Especially his second one. That was a pretty pass from Lowry to set him up and it was a great top shelf shot. But the highlight of the night from Thomas was the speed he showed backchecking to break up an odd man rush. On a play most guys would have given up on he skated hard through the play and made a great defensive stop. Just awesome.
Alan, do you not realize players get injured in the AHL? They do not have reserve lists, everyone who is hurt is still on the roster. Noreau is out for the season, Siemens is injured, Stollery and Elliott were called up due to injuries in the NHL and that's just on defense. Lake Erie now has 3 possibly 4 regular forwards injured, they might take another forward from here this week. They aren't doing it to be selfish, they are trying to fill out their roster. They might take one extra guy as insurance especially on road trips, the NHL does it too. If Lake Erie didn't take these guys then any AHL team could sign them to a PTO and do whatever they want with them. Lake Erie at least tried to return Nagle quickly but Grand Rapids didn't seem all that concerned about letting him come back. There's the difference at least.
It's an interesting point what might happen come playoff time. Lake Erie isn't likely to make the playoffs (possible still but I wouldn't bet on it) so maybe they do send guys down like Heard, Beaupre and Meurs who have been here before for the playoff run. Another thing is late March/early April is when junior seasons begin to end and Lake Erie might have some Avalanche prospects sign ATOs, therefore they shouldn't need extra players from the Komets to fill out their roster at that time.
It doesn't really matter if the AHL team makes the playoffs because they are going to take whatever guys they have on contract anyway. The important thing is if Colorado makes the playoffs. If Colorado misses, they send down their borderline guys that are on 2-way deals to the A, and no AHL team is going to carry 27 guys so the trickle down gets to us that way.
So c'mon Hawks. Answer chuckitt's question. How are ECHL teams compensated when a non contracted player is called up. This isn't a "sky is falling" sentiment, Chicken. It is a solid question that I bet most ECHL teams would like addressed (or at least explored). With the nature of the roster just now, it seems like a good time to bring the subject up.
Again, for everyone. I do not have a problem with Lake Erie calling up a player they control. But I also think that when a non contracted player gets called up, the ECHL team should get some recompense for the lost player. It would make teams stop and think before they tear into someone else's roster.
WF, I realize that Lake Erie has been hit with a rash of injuries. And I've no problem that they've dipped down to Fort Wayne to help out. The NHL has a roster limit, the ECHL has a roster limit, but the AHL handles as many guys as they wish.
Szydlowski could've stayed here the weekend and played. He sat out the game with Lake Erie. Faille is one of fourteen forwards. Nagle was called up to the affiliate of a division rival. The Komets received nothing for the loss of the player and the situation they faced. (Remember the Komets recently went into one game with just five defensemen).
Don't be afraid to ask questions. Don't be afraid to shake things up. The ECHL will never change anything as long as its member teams accept the status-quo...and it probably will have to come from the fans and/or the member clubs because Mckenna is too comfortable just bending over for the NHL-AHL instead of the league that pays him.
The Komets recent record has nothing to do with this. This isn't a "Komet" thing, it has to do with each and every franchise.
Whoa....Slow down there...King Nothing....Some of us have more important things to do than do your research...try google...Its a wonderful thing.
Right from the PHPA website.....Here is your 'stipend'
In the event the League and team receive an executed contract/try-out agreement from an AHL/NHL team, the Player shall be allowed to report to that League. If the team or the Player receives a try-out offer from an NHL/AHL team with no affiliation with the ECHL team, the Player shall not accept the try-out offer until the ECHL team has received a $500 development fee from the non-affiliated NHL/AHL team for each call-up.
And the reason(s) why Lerg can't/won't be called up again has been beaten to death at least 4-5 times. Again, do your own research.
But then again, its all a conspiracy....Right, Chicken Little.
Blake, could you please put this feud to rest that Hawk has with Alan? It seems like Alan can't post his opinions without Hawk attacking him. Thanks and GO KOMETS!!!
John, thanks for your concern.
Maybe why this is a little "murky" is that the contract has language for an executed contract/try out offer. Except for Leach, the others are listed as "loans". The explanation of a loan is not explained. Is it the same thing?
It does say that the player shall not report until the team has received a $500 developmental fee. Would the ECHL team hold a player back until it receives the money? I think if they did it would be a long time before any player allowed themselves to be recruited. Holding back a player would result in a "talent suicide" for a ECHL team.
I am going to do some more checking up on this through the front office. Maybe at the next home game. I want to make sure that the rule in its "strict" form is what happens in "real life"....and I want to see what the "legalese" difference is between a loan and an executed contract/try out agreement. We have seen players leave with the term PTO (player try out) and also with the term loaned.
My own research shows some relaxation is in order.
Hawks is it..u need 2 allow others the same rights u have. .freedom 2 speak freely, without being soundly critiqued every time..good even tempered discussion promotes a healthy blog...
Alan brings so much of this on himself, the only way I know of to eliminate it is to stop him from posting. I don't want to do that.
Wouldn't want him 2 be denied his opinion and comments on this site
I personally like Alan's comments. I don't always agree with everything he says but he seems to do his research and knows what he is talking about. With that said, Blake is right that the more you throw these posts out there the more chance you have of being criticized. I am quite sure that Alan like myself and others are not too bothered by that. He loves Komets hockey and follows it deeply. Keep it up Alan and let the water roll off of your back.
I don’t think this is about whether we like, dislike, agree or disagree with anyone’s posts. Nor is it about our passion, or lack of, for the Komets. We all come here to get our fix of Komet news and views.So, don’t throw out the, ‘if you don’t like my posts you don’t have to read them’ garbage either.
Isn’t this more about certain individuals continually poisoning nearly every article Blake writes? I know a few who grew tired of it on the other blog, so they came here to escape the lunacy. Unfortunately, ‘Tailing the Komets’ has spiraled into the same wormhole of lunacy.
Not everything we want to say needs to be posted here. We should step back and pause for a moment. Maybe even quit posting for a short time period (or even all together).
Blake doesn’t need the hassle of policing us.
Hmmm."step back".."pause 4 a moment "..."quit posting "...."or even all together "...really..this blog provides us a way 2 speak up and feel comfortable doing so...continue 2 post one and all
This will be my last word on the matter, and I'd like to thank a friend, a reader of "Tailing the komets", someone who called me up and reminded me of this column.
This is a column titled, "Too often good ECHL teams are getting hurt", it appears on "Tailing the Komets" with the thread title, "ECHL need better system in the AHL". It is a column written by Blake Sebring, Friday Jan 16, 2015 12:01am. You will find it there.
Please take the time to read it. (You will find in the "comments" that I posted something that started with "Amen").
I'm not sure why so many people had such a hard time with my comment(s) in this thread. Blake's article (or maybe my comment) mirrored each other in almost every area.
He cites this happens to every ECHL team. He answers his own question, "what did the Komets get in return...by the words "absolutely nothing". His eighth paragraph states, 'the AHL doesn't even have to pay a developmental fee for signing those players who were not part of their ECHL affiliation."
There isn't ONE thing in his article that I disagree with. It was well written and had the intention to point out the uphill battle the ECHL fan faces by its own league.
So, OK. No more from me on this. PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE. Everything is there (and even more).
I will end this by quoting his last sentence, "It's time for the ECHL teams to stand up for themselves and, more importantly, their customers." Again, I say, amen.
Keep posting Alan , I luv your input even if I don't agree 100%
You should also understand that I've been told by several people that $500 fee is rarely if ever paid to the teams.