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Opening Arguments

Brave new world

Me, either:

At this point, the thing is more than a little inexplicable.  Democrats are on a political suicide mission; I'm not a particularly accurate prognosticator, but I think this makes it very likely that in 2010 they will lost several seats in the Senate--enough to make it damn hard to pass any more of their signature legislation--and will lose the house outright.  In the case of the House, you can attribute it to the fact that the leadership has safe seats.  But three out of four of the Democrats on the podium today are in serious danger of losing their seats.

No bill this large has ever before passed on a straight party-line vote, or even anything close to a straight party-line vote.  No bill this unpopular has ever before passed on a straight party-line vote.  We're in a new political world.  I'm not sure I understand it.

But now it's on to 2010 and getting this monstrosity undone (assuming the House and Senate versions will be reconciled and sent to the president's desk). And don't give up on fighting the global warming scam just because it's losing steam. They surely won't give up.

Comments

mark
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 11:02am

Maybe a newspaper should ask Evan Bayh to explain his vote.

Just a thought.

tim zank
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 11:55am

For the Dem leadership and for Obama, this has nothing to do with the quality of health care, covering the uninsured, or reducing costs anymore. All that sounded good but went out the window long ago.

It's all about changing the way our government works, it's about getting into the history books, it's about reaching the holy grail of socialist policy where the government (not in theory but in real life) actually controls everything that it's citizens can and now MUST do. They no longer care if they lose the House, Senate and White House or pass an economically disastrous bevy of bills. They know once passed, a lot of it will stick.

I don't think the average (Obama) voter had any idea what the cost would be to them directly just to feel good about voting for someone who was not GW Bush, but they are about to find out.

The end product of this bill and the rest that have been forced on us will be atrocius and most likely bankrupt the nation, but hey, you'll (Obama voters) be able to say you were part of history, that's sure worth it, huh?

Bob G.
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 12:01pm

Tim:
You forgot one very important thing this is all about...

It's about allowing the ANIMALS to run the zoo.
And it's a study in blatant ARROGANCE on behalf of our ELECTED officials aka the "hired help".
(OK, make that TWO things...)

Hope and change, baby.

IOKIYAR
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 2:34pm

hey, remember when leo morris criticized Bush and Republicans for passing medicare plus without providing any source of revenue?

me either.

Leo Morris
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 4:02pm

From The News-Sentinel, an editorial by Leo Morris, Nov. 26, 2003:

"Indiana GOP 3rd District U.S. Rep. Mark Souder is wrong. Indiana GOP 6th District U.S. Rep. Mike Pence is right. The Medicare prescription drug bill, passed by Congress and awaiting President Bush's certain signature, is a frightening expansion of government, an abomination that should never have seen the light of day.
"Our objection is partly philosophical. The measure takes a broad approach to a narrow problem, will cost trillions of dollars that our children's grandchildren will have to pay and move Washington further into an area it has no business being in in the first place.
"It is exactly the kind of big government so-called conservatives such as Bush and Souder are supposed to be against. But Bush sponsored this version, and Souder sounds like a Democrat when he defends it. Thank goodness for the conservative clarity of Pence and a handful of others. The plan lacks focus, he says, and 'would create a universal drug benefit that provides a government entitlement for every American over the age of 65, a population of some 35 million today that will grow to 70 million by the year 2030.'
"Lack of focus, indeed. That's our main objection to the bill: It is more than 1,100 pages long; it will take months, at least, to parse exactly what this bill will do and what it will cost, and we'd bet most of the people voting for it don't understand it all. Consider that the Patriot Act is only about a third that size, and we're still debating what some of it means."

There is more, but I think you get the idea. Would the horse's ass who has to steal his insults (IOKIYAR) from Paul Krugman care to try again?

john b. kalb
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 4:43pm

Leo - Thanks for coming down on whomever IOKIYAR is! I do remember your editorial ( and refered to it in my comments about how poorly Souder is representing us back home in Indiana!) And Mark S. hasn't quit yet!!! Sure hope we can get him out by electing a true fiscal conservative in the May primary!

Kevin Knuth
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 4:59pm

Funny you would mention the Medicare bill. How about we compare it to CAFTA?

"In the end, however, the House Republican leadership had to extend the voting period on the treaty for nearly an hour

Leo Morris
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 5:25pm

Well, I didn't mention the Medicare bill. It was mentioned for me. And I didn't comment on the tactics of CAFTA, Medicare or health care. Once the sausage is presented to us, how it was made becomes a much less interesting subject.

tim zank
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 6:39pm

Thanks Kevin, we needed another dose of "I know you are but what am I" dialogue.

Carry on.

Bob G.
Mon, 12/21/2009 - 7:52pm

Tim:
I don't think the LIBS are drinking the Kool-Aid these days...
They're snorting it directly with some of the our future "Monopoly money" aka the American dollar bill.
(which even China doesn't seem to be too hep on today)

But I could be "wrong".

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