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Opening Arguments

Patriotic lapses

Not many people are buying the FBI's explanations for misusing the Patriot Act. They think, reasonably, that so many lapses might indicate an attitude problem rather than simple procedural errors:

Mr. Mueller emphasized that the report determined that the lapses were a result of errors rather than criminal or malicious intent, that apparently no person or business was harmed and that the inspector general, Glenn A. Fine, agreed that the national security letters were a vital tool in the post-Sept. 11 world.

But he conceded that the abuses, however unintentional, were contrary to American traditions of law and respect for privacy. And even if the actual number of mistakes is relatively small, “nonetheless it is a serious problem,” he said, promising to do whatever he could to reassure skeptics on Capitol Hill.

A distinction should be made between law-enforcement's misuse of certain laws and whether or not those laws are in fact justifiable. In fact, the greatest danger in letting agents use the law so haphazardly without checks and balances is that it makes it so much harder for reasonable people to draw the line between security and civil liberties in the right place. Outrage over abuse of a security measure might lead us to abandon a security measure we really need.

Comments

Bob G.
Mon, 03/12/2007 - 5:56am

Hey, they're only human...mistakes can (and will) be made...

To me, justifiable means being able to protect my ass(ets)...and if some thin-skin tree-huggers get pissed along the way...oh, well.

Would we be as willing to forego SECURITY to have civil liberties (and put the ACLU out of a job), or are we safer with security in place while putting aside a civil liberty here or there.

I'd much rather be safe and secure..and if it costs something...that's a small price to pay when considering the alternative, especially in this day and age.

B.G.

W D
Mon, 03/12/2007 - 10:24pm

>Hey, they're only human...mistakes can (and will) be made...

To me, justifiable means being able to protect my ass(ets)...
and if some thin-skin tree-huggers get pissed along the
way...oh, well.
Would we be as willing to forego SECURITY to have
civil liberties (and put the ACLU out of a job), or are
we safer with security in place while putting aside a
civil liberty here or there.

I'd much rather be safe and secure..and if it costs
something...that's a small price to pay when
considering the alternative, especially in this day
and age.

B.G.

Bob G.
Tue, 03/13/2007 - 5:58am

If having the freedom to be so damn STUPID is one of those we should "give up", then go ahead...I'm all for it. Your rhetoric mirrors such.

These islamic radicals want to destroy US...if the freedoms get a ridealong, fine. They just hate US. We're not of the same mindset, and OUR God doesn't tell us to go blow our asses all over creation to get 40 virgins when we die....

If sacrificing something to achieve a much better end for everyone in AMERICA is required...we should do so, unless you WANT car bombs on YOUR street. We're not giving up everything for God's sake....get with the program. You thin-skins are so typical of the "PC" mentality today.

Mt friend, I would advise that you get thyself to a LIBRARY...it's called READING.

DO some...you might LEARN from the experience, instead of following the lemming parade off the nearest cliff.

B.G.

tim zank
Tue, 03/13/2007 - 7:33am

Come on Bob, quit beating around the bush, how do you REALLY feel? Ha! lol

Bob G.
Tue, 03/13/2007 - 10:18am

Sorry, Tim...just had an AWB moment.

;)

Mike Boley
Tue, 03/13/2007 - 10:35am

What? Only 40 virgins? It used to be 72. Guess the price of martyrdom is going down. Hardly worth the effort for only 40 virgins.

Doug
Tue, 03/13/2007 - 6:21pm

Bah,
Everybody knows that our God can beat up their God.

As for giving up essential liberty for temporary security, Ben Franklin suggested that those willing to make such a trade deserve neither.

tim zank
Wed, 03/14/2007 - 5:34am

Doug, Ya think Ben Franklin might have a different take in 2007?

With regard to W D's loss of freedoms, I would be curious to know exactly what he is personally prohibited from doing now that he could do 5 1/2 years ago? (besides smoke in a bar, drive with a cell phone, etc etc etc)
Fear the locals not the feds....

As far as the radical Muslim aggression, I guess there's no reason to worry, it appears it's all been just a misunderstanding and now that WD and most of the left has made it clear WE are to blame, I'm sure they'll leave us alone. I'm glad that's cleared up.
Whew! What a relief!

Bob G.
Wed, 03/14/2007 - 6:10am

Thanks, Tim for saying what I was thinking...
(where's my LEGOS?)

;)

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