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Opening Arguments

Downtown baseball

On our editorial page, we've been extremely supportive of downtown development, and we've advocated some things most of our readers probably haven't favored, such as the library renovation. But we've had two editorials in a row expressing skepticism about a downtown baseball stadium. The latest one wonders why, given all the "catalyst projects" that could have been chosen, a baseball stadium is the one everybody is zeroing in on. If you read the report of the mayor's committee, that question takes on even more importance. It's clear that the starting position was not, "We need to spur downtown development; how can we do it?" It was, "Do we need downtown baseball?" Where you end up depends on where you begin; big shock.

The powers that be seem bound and determined to push baseball, despite the fact that there is a strong dose of skepticism, bordering on cynicism, out in the real world, so none of them seem to be asking the obvious questions. Somebody has to keep pestering them to make the case, and I guess that will be us for the time being.

I'm not against a downtown stadium, but I still haven't heard the case made yet. At the risk of being labeled an obstructionist, I'd say that, even granting the city 80 percent of its argument, the case falls apart on the last 20 percent. So, for the sake of argument:

1. Downtown is crucial for the vitality of this area. Granted. A city without a thriving center seems to be lacking something, no matter what else is going on.

2. Downtown improvement requires a catalyst project. Granted. Something that's deteriorated over decades won't come back without a jump start.

3. The city has to take the lead on encouraging a catalyst project. Granted. For development to succeed, private investors have to believe there is some money to be made. But we'll never get to that point unless the public sector provides some incentives and some guidance.

4. Somebody, at some point, has to actually choose a catalyst project. Granted. Otherwise, we'll just talk about it endlessly, which is the same as letting downtown drift.

But even if we accept all of that, how does that logically lead to the last 20 percent:

5. Downtown can be revived only with a baseball stadium?

Why move something that's already working in another part of town, instead of coming up with something that will create new economic activity? Stadiums have helped bring back some downtowns, but they have not exactly worked as advertised in others. We even have a good example, as the editorial yesterday pointed out, of a disappointment in Indiana, in South Bend, which has a bigger population to draw from than Fort Wayne.

Some people skip right over these concerns:

“There are other ways to do this,” my wife said Saturday morning, and, yeah, maybe she's right, maybe you actually use the rivers by developing the waterfront, by opening a few shops and restaurants and bars. Maybe you move the zoo downtown, or (God forbid, in the City of Churches) open a riverfront casino.

Maybe you do that. Or maybe you do all that and build a ballpark, too, as long as we're blue-skying this.

I mean, what the heck. Vision has to start somewhere, right?

Not to mention sometime.

Vision does not start just with "blue skies." You have to have at least one foot on the ground, or else you'll just be swept away with another grand scheme. How many things have we already been told will turn downtown around?

FOOTNOTE: Sometimes our downtown advocates might seem like romantic dreamers, but at least they're partly grounded in reality, unlike this mayor:

TAMPA - With thousands of condominiums planned in and around downtown, the area promises a neighborhood where people can live, work and play without relying on cars.

But entertainment and employment centers are still too far from homes for a comfortable walk in heels or suits, especially in the heat of summer.

Mayor Pam Iorio hopes to change that.

She's pushing for a downtown bus system, called downtown circulators, to move people from home to work or to dinner and a movie.

Posted in: Our town

Comments

William Larsen
Tue, 08/01/2006 - 8:10am

I do not support a downtown Baseball stadium for a few basic reasons:

1. Fort Wayne and for that matter no government entity should be involved in a for profit business. If a baseball team wants a stadium, then they should build the stadium themselves, operate the stadium and pay taxes on the property just like any other business.

2. We have winter in our area and to build a stadium that will be used 5 months out of the year is a waste of capital.

3. If you want to attract business downtown you need:
a. parking
b. ease of getting to and from there (traffic control)
c. something that will attract business year round, just not on a few nights a week for a few months a year. You want something that will attract people daily, weekly and monthly.
d. we have perfectly good stadium that has ample parking that when combined with the coliseum, gets used more. Better utilization of land and capital than if they were separate.
e. To spend $10 million to coax 3,500 people to come down town, or better yet to spend $10 million and coax maybe 300 additional spectators is STUPID!

Why do people not want to live in Fort Wayne? Look at the stupidity of spending time looking at this.

Larry Morris
Tue, 08/01/2006 - 2:01pm

Bill, trust me, Ft. Wayne doesn't have the market on stupid spending. Before we moved out to central Texas, we spent over 10 years in Houston - during that time we spent god knows how much taxpayer money on not only a stadium for baseball, but one for basketball, and one for football. All tax paid just to "attract or keep" pro teams to the area. Did it help the local economy ? No.

alex
Tue, 08/01/2006 - 2:03pm

Who says there's anything wrong with downtown just the way it is?

For a rustbelt city of this size, it's in pretty darn good shape. People keep lamenting that it's not what it used to be. Of course it isn't. Aboite and Perry Townships are now what downtown used to be and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

If there were anything worth doing downtown, private investors would already have done it. The last time a downtown sports arena was being hyped, the promoters were the very people who owned the land on which it was to be built -- and they weren't willing to stake a dime of their own money on it, no sir. They expected the city to pay an inflated price for their otherwise undesirable lands and bear all the risk.

The city just spent a small fortune doing studies about where a new hotel should be built. That's your tax dollars up in smoke. No hotelier will ever build in a market where two existing hotels are barely scraping by, which is the case here.

The city of Fort Wayne needs a downtown redevelopment czar like it needs a director of homeland security. And it needs a new baseball stadium like it needs mountains and an ocean view and a lot of other things that sound nice but aren't feasible.

Jeff Pruitt
Tue, 08/01/2006 - 3:55pm

15 years ago Wichita, KS used the same argument that the BaseballPLUS committee is using now - I was there. The public voted down their proposal by a hefty margin.

It's intellectually lazy to assume that a stadium is the only way to reinvigorate downtown. It was lazy in Wichita and it's lazy now. The city of Wichita had to actually figure out how to get people downtown. They did this by focusing on a two block zone the deemed "old town". They encouraged business to move in - restaurants, theatre, bars, etc. Once this two block area was redeveloped they begin to move outward - slowly but surely.

When I recently went back to visit it was flat out unbelievable how the downtown area had changed. There are thousands of people living there and they can't renovate old properties fast enough for the demand. Business is booming and it's thriving enough that a Minnesota real estate group came in and basically bought up everything that was left.

And now, after 15 years, hundreds of businesses and thousands of new downtown residents the city has approved a new downtown stadium. NOW, it makes sense.

Wichita is not unlike Fort Wayne - perhaps 100K more people. They made it work there and they did it the right way. Government officials would be wise to look to Wichita in order to see how downtown development can be done w/o breaking the bank...

tim zank
Wed, 08/02/2006 - 6:26pm

Maybe the reason they keep pushing the baseball stadium is because they can't think of anything else to put downtown. It's not as though there are "endless possibilities".

Fort Wayne has been trying to "re-do" or "renew" the downtown area since G.C. Murphy pulled out when I was a kid. Man, they sure had good donuts!

At any rate, to "revitalize" any area, you need people to reside there. All a baseball stadium will do is bring people to the location occasionally to see a game and spend some money inside the stadium.

A stadium downtown wouldn't fail, I'm sure it would be profitable, it just won't help
revitalize downtown. You'll just have a huge concrete monolith smack dab in the middle of what you've always had.

Besides that, Wizards Stadium is a really nice, modern ballpark with a good many years left I'm sure.

Leo Morris
Thu, 08/03/2006 - 4:23am

For those who don't know, Cindy's Diner has the old Murphys donut machine and still cranks them out.

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