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Opening Arguments

Islam says: Hang up!

The march of progress in the Mideast:

The ulema in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province have declared that use of mobile phones by women is haram, or forbidden in Islam. The Urdu-language newspaper Roznama Khabrain reported that the imam of Jama Masjid Hazrat Umar Farooq made the announcement during his Friday sermon.

Aren't allies wonderful?


Thu, 05/08/2008 - 9:09am

What is the context of this ruling. On what basis are they coming to the conclusion that mobile phones are forbidden for women? In the NWFP of Pakistan what are women using their phones for? By just stating the ruling without giving any of the details you are just spreading anti-Islamic propaganda.

Larry Morris
Thu, 05/08/2008 - 9:31am

Oh, please, ...anti-Islamic propaganda ? If you are so adamant in defending their policies, what in the world are you doing here - I'll spring for the return plane fare, ...

tim zank
Thu, 05/08/2008 - 11:31am

My guess is, they (women) are not allowed to use them to talk, but using them as a detonator to blow the shit out of the infidels is probably just a-ok. Just a guess..

Fri, 05/09/2008 - 3:14pm

No Tim, that is the work left for "developed" countries like US and Israel. In Islam women are respected and loved and not used in the name of "uplifting" women as you do. And please do explain me the meaning of "infidels" as I am hearing a lot in context of Islam. As fas as I know "Infidels is Bob Dylan's 22nd studio album, released in 1983 by Columbia Records."

Larry I am sure you want to increase the popularity of your blog by using the same mean as other and i.e. to target Islam on the basis of falsehood and negative marketing. I don't what is the real story which you narrated but please do keep in mind their are "black sheeps" in every community. If I go by your logic then all the chritians and Jews are terrorist and criminals as they went onto to kill millions of innocent children, men and women in Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan. Please be reasonable and sensible before publishing a content. Try to find what is the truth and not just seek an opportunity to malign the image of any religion.

Hope you will agree!

Larry Morris
Fri, 05/09/2008 - 3:28pm

Leo, I think "zoomash" meant his last post for you - not that I would mind responding, but have at it, ...

tim zank
Fri, 05/09/2008 - 5:15pm

Well zoomash, It's my understanding the "infidels" are simply those who are NOT muslim. Of course I could be mistaken, as it seems they DO seem to blow up a lot of Muslims too in the course of any given day.

In r/e your assertion "In Islam women are respected and loved" I suppose that could very well be true, I must have misunderstood the practice of genital mutilation, no speaking unless spoken to, the occasional stoning, honor killing for rape victims etc.

You can blame the west for all the ills of the Muslim population if it makes you feel better, as if our paying Muslim country's gazillions in oil revenue, bringing light to darkened rooms, bringing electricity and clean water, internal combustion engines, airplanes & air conditioning drove them to stay rooted in the 9th century.

Sorry we progressed and now frown on slitting the throats of those we disagree with on international television or flying airplanes into buildings just for the fun of it either. We're funny that way.

Bob G.
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 12:02pm


That's what I like about you....you're SO "to the point".



Sat, 05/10/2008 - 1:01pm

Very well written Tim. But without fully researching the facts once again.

Once again expression without sense. Giving examples of one community and defacing the whole religion. As if "west" is clean. Every minute a woman is raped in western countries but that might be a daily affair for you guys and yes the statistics is from US internal criminal bureau and not made by any muslim countries. Stoning to death might amuse you as Rape is coooool for you guys.

Do you know Islam is the fastest growing religion in US and Europe. And 2/3 of them are women. If Islam is downgrading women then why are they accepting Islam? The truth is Islam uplift women in true sense.

Yes west has "progressed". Progressed in disguise and stealing the culture and prosperity of another nation to uplift their. Is technology advancement the definition of "progress" in your eyes? If that is so then we muslims are 1000 times much advance then you guys. UK Guardian wrote, "Without the dedication of the Islamic scholars of the 9th to the 14th century, it is not clear that Western Europe would have become the world leader in science and technology. And it is also unlikely that the United States would have inherited that leadership role."


There are number of great scholars, mathematicians, scientists who followed the teachings of Quran and were at top of there profession. 80% of the scientific facts in Quran have been proven right by modern scientists (many have even accepted Islam) and another 20% is being researched.

Hope Bob you will say the same for me :) "to the point".

Harl Delos
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 6:20pm

Do you know Islam is the fastest growing religion in US and Europe.

He probably doesn't. I definitely don't. It just ain't true, sir. You're telling so many fibs, it's making you sound like a Clinton.

Buddhists, not Muslims, are the fastest growing religion in Europe. Even Jews are growing faster than Muslims - and most of the Muslim growth is coming from immigration, not from birth or from conversion.

In North America, most of the Muslim growth in North America is from immigration - to Canada, not the US. Atheism is growing at a 3.51 rate, Hindu at a 3.13 rate, Sikh at a 2.81 rate, Buddhists at a 2.75 rate, and Baha'i at a 2.25 rate, compared to the paltry 1.56 rate for Muslims.

And what, you ask, is the fastest growing religion in the US and in North America? It's the Old Order Amish, who have been sustaining a 2.80 annual growth rate, year after year, since 1920 or earlier. If the OOA weren't breaking into multiple sects - there are 57 plain sects in Lancaster County, PA alone - their growth rate would be more than twice that.

Why are 2/3 of the new Muslims women? Because they are getting married to a Muslim who demands that they convert.

If you are looking for actual *believers*, rather than those who convert in name only, then those figures for the Amish are even more impressive, for there are virtually *no* converts to the Amish faith. They not only do not prosetylize, but they actively *discourage* anyone seeking to join their faith. There are many who choose as teenagers not to join the church. What you're left with is a core of true believers.

Without the dedication of the Islamic scholars of the 9th to the 14th century

Too bad you gave up scholastic endeavors 7 centuries ago. You could have actually had something to be proud of by now.

tim zank
Sat, 05/10/2008 - 7:52pm

Okay dokay zoomash:

You said : "As if

Sun, 05/11/2008 - 4:26am

Get your statistics right Harl. So according to you the muslim growth is according to immigration. Please explain me so other religions followers are not going to USA or europe. The point is you are again bringing reports from christian missionaries or so called "un-biased" international media. In Islam you cannot force anyone to convert to Islam and if someone does that then he will perish (even a muslim). So please don't give me issolated incidents of force conversion to Islam by few "black sheeps". And also the women who get married lives in "democratic" society, how could someone force her to change her religion. She can very easily take that person to court. So stop giving me these absurd statistics and replies.

According to statistics from the U.N., Islam is now the worlds second largest religion after Christianity. The U.N. statistics state that the Islam annual growth rate of Islam is around 6.40% compared to 1.46% during the same time period for Christianity. Also according to these statistics, one in five people on the planet are Muslim (by birth or geographical reference).

"Too bad you gave up scholastic endeavors 7 centuries ago. You could have actually had something to be proud of by now."
Well we are proud of our rich culture and right values. You know due to Islam contribution west moved forward the west took the knowledge from us and claimed to be their's. So we do feel proud as we gave you all the knowledge you needed to succeed. And as we muslims believe in brotherhood, so in seeing our other non-muslim brothers advance we even feel more proud. That is what Islam is all about.

Sun, 05/11/2008 - 4:39am

Tim, good that you have accepted west is not clean. Another point you said "Sorry we progressed and now frown on slitting the throats of those we disagree with on international television or flying airplanes into buildings just for the fun of it either. We

Larry Morris
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 10:46am

Harl and Tim - sorry, guys, you're simply pissing in the wind - this guy ain't listening and will twist everything you say around to support some part of his bizarre position. I guess we shouldn't be surprised, ...

tim zank
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 11:01am

You got that right Larry, I was just reading in the Observer on line edition:
"Two weeks ago, The Observer revealed how 17-year-old student Rand Abdel-Qader was beaten to death by her father after becoming infatuated with a British soldier in Basra. In this remarkable interview, Abdel-Qader Ali explains why he is unrepentant - and how police backed his actions. Afif Sarhan in Basra and Caroline Davies report".

Call me a goodie two shoes, but the Muslim punishment just seems a tad harsh.

Larry Morris
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 1:29pm

"Muslim punishment just seems a tad harsh", Ain't that the understatement of the century (this and the last, ...) - I've never been much of an alarmist, I lean more to the practical side of things - do as much as you can to prepare for the worst, then sit back and don't worry about it too much - but I firmly believe the next great world war (and people will look back in history and see our time now as it's early beginning) will be radical Islam (more and more of them every day) and the rest of the world, ...

Harl Delos
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 1:34pm

Harl and Tim - sorry, guys, you

Sun, 05/11/2008 - 1:55pm

"Call me a goodie two shoes, but the Muslim punishment just seems a tad harsh." - Once again Tim bringing the "black sheep" example to bring Islam down.

Harl I don't know from where you get these statistics. It might make you happy but you are far from the truth.

Larry the "bizarre" position is, in which you guys are and you all are so far away from understanding Quran and Islam in true sense.

Well I think it is time for me now to stop trying to justify Islam to people like you who are ready to live in their "practical" way of living and not ready to accept truth.

tim zank
Sun, 05/11/2008 - 3:49pm

"Once again Tim bringing the

Mon, 05/12/2008 - 5:34am

What about woman raped every minute in your community. You are making fool of yourself by giving these lunatic replies.

Do not try to point finger on Islam without any logical point Tim. I know what you are trying to do, you are focusing on putting Islam down (by falsehood) so that people should hate Islam and not talk or think about filth and dirt in your religion.

Harl Delos
Mon, 05/12/2008 - 6:29am

Zoomash, this is absurd.

You're making all sorts of wild assertions, but when you say where your sources of information are, they don't exist.

If there is a woman being raped every minute, as you say, identify her, and I will *personally* go put an end to it.

Meanwhile, Muhammed has instructed you to destroy Muslim mosques, and kill everyone inside, in the Koran, verses 9:108-110.

Mon, 05/12/2008 - 7:06am

And yes another online non-muslim reference:-


Bob G.
Mon, 05/12/2008 - 7:30am

Well, at least we Christain infidels aren't still following the dictates laid down in the OLD testament for punishment...
There are a "few" however that have always peaked my interest...
(always been one of those 'eye for an eye' guys)



Larry Morris
Mon, 05/12/2008 - 7:34am

Like I said, Harl, not listening, ... we're beating a dead horse, ...

Mon, 05/12/2008 - 7:48am

That's good Bob that you are not following Old testament as something which is not from God should not be followed.

Larry you guys should accept the truth as you don't even have a single point to put Islam down. The last trick by Harl has also been proven wrong and as Quran rightly says "Falsehood by its nature is bound to perish".

May Allah blessing be on all of you. Have a nice day!

Harl Delos
Mon, 05/12/2008 - 3:22pm

You're right, Leo. His source claims REPORTS of 93,934 forcible rapes in 2005, which ain't anywhere close to 1 per minute.

And when you realize that not every report of a rape means there was a rape, it's even worse. Feminists tell us that rape is a crime of violence, not a crime of passion, and the perp rarely climaxes, but there are 32,000 pregnancies every year supposedly resulting from those reported rapes.

A woman is only capable of being impregnated about 10% of the time during her fertile years, which run about a third of her life. That means about 3% of the female population can be impregnated at any given time.

But even if she CAN be impregnated doesn't mean she WILL be impregnated. We all know couples that try 4-5 times a week for months without her getting pregnant, and they AREN'T on the pill. In the US, 80% of all women have used oral contraceptives, according to ScienceDaily, and when you add injectable contraceptives like Depo/Provera, it's pretty obvious that those 32,000 cases were false reports.

As this loon says, "Falsehood by its nature is bound to perish." All you have to do is expose it to light.

tim zank
Mon, 05/12/2008 - 5:50pm

Regardless of his propensity for making up figures and the like, the hardest thing for me to understand is how anyone, anywhere, anytime, anyplace can not be appalled or repelled by beating one's daughter to death for making eyes at a non-muslim. And that's just ONE little example.

I realize I'll never convince him that's a morally repugnant thing to do, but simply can't NOT object to it.

Tue, 05/13/2008 - 7:27am

Tim you are such and dumb and lunatic person. Once again bringing an evil incident done by someone and using it against Islam. I never said all muslims are good and neither are all christians saints.

Internet is filled with people like you who have no points to prove against Islam but just to criticise others religion when your own religion and people treat women like slaves in the name of uplifting them.

And Harl I think you should go and have a mental checkup as I am not sure what the hell were you trying to prove there. According to you if a women is not impregnated then it doesnot constitute to rape. What a piece of crap you have been talking about. Please get your facts and figures right before raising a finger.

Harl Delos
Tue, 05/13/2008 - 10:07am

If you can't figure out how many minutes there are in a year, and compare it to the number of reported rapes in a year, zoomash, the problem lies between YOUR ears, not mine. If you can't figure out that a 35% pregnancy rate on reported rapes means an awful lot of those "rapes" were consensual sex, you're even more a fool than I thought - which is hard.

Nobody else here has libeled Islam half as much as you have with your spew, zoomash.

tim zank
Wed, 05/14/2008 - 12:59pm

Another glaring example of how they "love" their women:

Teenage Girl Used In Suicide Bombing
Updated:18:12, Wednesday May 14, 2008

A teenage girl strapped with explosives has blown up and killed an Iraqi army captain.
The bomb was detonated by remote control, injuring four soldiers in addition to the one who died, an Iraqi Army spokesman said.

courtesy of Sky News online edition 5/14/2008

Wed, 05/14/2008 - 2:30pm

Harl you are such a dumb person and so there is no point in me explaining you anything. Since first post you are trying to explain illogical scenarios and making fool of yourself. So nothing can be done for you.