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Opening Arguments

Nope to dope

Ah, youth's eternal optimism, here on display in the Indiana Statesman, student newspaper at Indiana State University:

The topic of marijuana legalization has been a growing trend, especially now that 13 states have legalized it for medicinal purposes. Since Illinois is currently reconsidering a medicinal bill, the subject is coming closer to hitting home for many ISU students.

[. . .]

Legalization for medicinal purposes is not something that has been proposed yet in Indiana, but with neighbors Illinois and Michigan making decisions already, the state may get hit next in the circle.

The Indiana General Assembly will legalize pot for medicinal use about the same time it recognizes gay marriage, i.e., not in your lifetime, kid.

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Thu, 10/22/2009 - 8:36pm

You're right, of course, but I get the impression that for some reason you're happy about it. We don't have to be *happy* about being the stupid state.

Leo Morris
Fri, 10/23/2009 - 7:32am

If you read any of my other posts about marijuana, you'll know your impression is incorrect.

Bob G.
Fri, 10/23/2009 - 9:33am

I just think it will promote even MORE stupid behavior on the behalf of the ADULT population (alcohol isn't enough?)...not to mention the damage it could do to their kids (if they even care about them while stoned).

Seems that's he LAST thing Michigan needs at this point...more idiocy.
(dude...they're so wasted, man....)

yeah, right.

Sat, 10/24/2009 - 8:12am

Bob, that old canard that marijuana should be illegal because, well, alcohol is so bad, wouldn't even make sense to a five-year-old. Surely it isn't necessary for me to point to the logical fallacy there.
Of course, coffee should be illegal. Just look at the harm methamphetamine causes!
BTW, I have no dog in this fight (I think I'm quoting Michael Vick here). I don't drink OR use drugs. But I don't understand the case against pot.

Bob G.
Sat, 10/24/2009 - 5:21pm

No fallacy required.
Having STONED parents IS a step down (or up?) from having DRUNK parents, I guess, right?

I'm just saying that we need not "give" IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE yet ANOTHER reason to be stupid...they're doing just fine with what they currently have this IS legal (all other controlled substances aside)
Gotta watch out for that "2nd hand liquor" around the kids, too...!
I wonder if say...30 years from now (or sooner) we'll be pondering the "medical" use of METH..or CRACK, and submitting proposals to LEGALIZE those.
Where do we draw the line to protect others and promote better choices in lfe?
Mr. Slope...meet Mr. Slippery.


Andrew J.
Sat, 10/24/2009 - 6:34pm

So because "irresponsible people" could get another reason to be stupid by legalizing marijuana, I as a responsible person should be denied? Sounds kind of elitist, don't you think? Because it's of course the rabble that misuse marijuana, so we have to protect them from themselves, and in the process, keep it out of the hands of responsible people. Take that argument and then apply it to beer, french fries, chocolate truffles and online porn. I'm smart, responsible and as stable a person as you will ever run into but you become the arbiter of what I am allowed or not allowed to use. Lump me with all the other dopes out there and protect me from myself!
Hey, why don't we just discriminate. Keep it from the riff-raff and allow high-class people like me to frequent a trendy hookah bar, OK?

Sat, 10/24/2009 - 10:11pm

Um, you are aware that both amphetamine and cocaine have been used, and sometimes still are used, medically, right? I had eye surgery several years ago, during which I had to stay alert and awake. The doc put tincture of cocaine in my eye, which numbed it completely, with no other effect I could notice.
Until about 1980, doctors were prescribing amphetamine for weight loss. The U.S. military still issues it to personnel, like pilots, who need to stay awake long hours. Where do you think Elvis got hooked?
And someone really should tell you that "slippery slope" is generally a derogatory term when applied to an argument. You know, like when opponents of same-sex marriage claim it will lead to bestiality.
As for which is worse for parents, booze or pot, pick your poison. I'd prefer parents avoid them both. But pot isn't strongly linked to addiction, violence or car wrecks. Alcohol is. In my opinion - and it's just that - pot is the lesser of evils. But alcohol prohibition was a wasteful failure, and so is marijuana prohibition. And I see no necessary connection between the two drugs, except that we call them both "drugs." I think it's counterproductive to equate them.

Bob G.
Sun, 10/25/2009 - 8:24am

Um...I'm fully aware of THAT type of use for these drugs...and a "tincture" is a FAR cry from a SNORT...or a HYPODERMIC...or a "PIPE".

Pot NOT linked to addiction?
...guess we don't need the term "gateway drugs" then, right?
Gee, seems a LOT of people are getting SHOT in MY part of town thanks to POT...(and crack)
Car wrecks?
...probably NOT that many, thanks to observant officers (and citizens) that spot the lousy driving from the "pot-user".

I'm not going to banter about the semantics of the term SLIPPERY SLOPE.
Small things (if unchecked) WILL lead to BIGGER things...that's a freaking universal CONSTANT for cripes sake!

I was just pointing out the obvious to everyone, and I don't hear THEM complaining, or even pointing out "errors".

What is REALLY worse for ANY parent (and society in general)is the wanton pursuit of idiotic behavior (at the expense of their children)...period.

Sun, 10/25/2009 - 10:13am

Ah, we went from slippery slope to gateway drug.
It's an established fact that 100% of herion addicts started out consuming milk. Clearly, milk is a gateway drug.
The term is meaningless.
As for people getting shot over pot, I assume you mean people are being shot over pot sales. If you are saying being high on pot leads to shooting, prove it. If pot were legal, pot users wouldn't have to deal with gun-toting criminals.
Ask any cop when was the last time he had to fight a pothead and he'll probably shrug his shoulders. Ask him when he last had to fight a drunk and he'll check his watch.
Judging from your apparent fondness for CAPITAL LETTERS, I gather this is a matter that makes you angry. Tell me, what sort of relationship did you have with your mother? Was she cold and distant? Have a spot of tea. Relax.

Bob G.
Mon, 10/26/2009 - 8:20am

Seems you can't debate someone with ODD...can you?
('Nuff said)

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 9:20am

Littlejohn has an Optical Disc Drive? And that prevents you from debating him?

Or do you say he has an Optical Disc Drive simply because he called into question your overuse of capital letters?

If he had also remarked on your abuse of emoticons, parentheses and ellipses, would you still be unable to debate with littlejohn?

Bob G.
Mon, 10/26/2009 - 10:33am

...AAaaannnnnd another rock turned over...ROFLMAO!

Gotta love it.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 11:20am

Thank you for answering my question - and proving my point.

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 6:45pm

Hey, I don't have an ODD! I have an EVEN! Count my fingers and toes. See? Ten each.
But I do have an outie. Does that count?
Well, off I go to my basement, to force Christian orphans to read "Origin of Species." *leers salaciously*

Mon, 10/26/2009 - 6:48pm

Whoa, Nellie! (I was dying to say that!)
Be nice to Bob. I hear he doesn't have an Optical Disc Drive. He's touchy.